Snoutwood

Please let me know that you've posted here by leaving a message saying so on my Wikipedia talk page. Snoutwood (talk) 03:30, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

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Right, thanks, should've remembered the en:/w: thing from earlier. Snoutwood (talk) 03:42, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

re: #550 / w:WP:ABUSE

Fair enough, but you're missing the point. You're asking for the impossible and the unfair by saying that if some of you are bad, none of you can edit. Doesn't make sense at all, especially when you realize that some fantastic contributors, such as Celestianpower (first one off the top of my head), would be eliminated. bugzilla:550 would deal with that problem exceptionally well.

As an aside, after perusing Wiktionaryspace and your contribs for a while, I can't find Wiktionary's version of WP:ABUSE. I'm interested in seeing it so that I can try to better w:en:'s version, get some ideas from the Wiktionary side of things. Could you point the way, please? Thanks very much—I'd love some fresh ideas. How has your success with it been? Snoutwood (talk) 03:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I saw yours and pengo's point. Being called a troll I figured was a good indication that a response wasn't desired.

• WT:BLOCK#Block letters sent was where I intended to keep archives of the form letters sent. Things being overwhelming as they are, little has come of it. That one school however, did take some action to that individual. There has not been a repeat from that IP range since.

--Connel MacKenzie T C 03:45, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the link! Pengo was being overly sarcastic and, well, a dick. Sorry about that, and doubly sorry for being a bit of one myself. I did say that I would've phrased things differently than he did, but then I go and put my foot in it... anyway, I don't think you're a troll, I just really disagree. It's a big problem over on w:en: (don't know if it is over here), so I think that your I'm sure well-intentioned dislike of #550 will just taste sour to many of us who have to deal with the problem a lot. It's big for me personally as I come up against the situation a fair amount when I deal with schools, and as it's already frustrating, having someone say the solution we've been waiting for is bollocks engenders some bad reactions. Snoutwood (talk) 03:53, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. I don't think you were being a dick (Pengo; well, yes.) I certainly have a different view on the matter of bugzilla:550, but it seems pretty certain I was shut down quickly. I have no idea what goes through the dev's heads, so I won't pretend to guess.

Yes, we have the same problem here, to a much lesser extent. We've blocked AOL entirely. I'd link to Special:List of blocked ips, but there'd be thousands of "Tor network" blocks you'd have to sift through first. Schools tend to be a different issue, but we have experienced that problem only a little, so far. --Connel MacKenzie T C 04:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Glad you didn't think I was being a dick. :) I'd support a w:en: block of AOL, so long as they can still edit through https/CACERT. I think you fellows did the right thing there, AOL vandals/blocks are a MAJOR pain in the ass, and it isn't something AOL is going to deal with for a while, if ever. I like #550 because we can really bust down on schools that way: the current problem of blocking good editors, even if I did support it, holds way to much sway and suggestions to simply hard-ban the IP wouldn't get anywhere. This'll allow us to banninate schools with no significant downsides (apart from potential new user loss, but then the vandalism reduces the value of that somewhat). I can't think of a feature I'd rather have come out apart from selective revision deletion. Snoutwood (talk) 04:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Too many people are editing my talk page at the moment!  :-) When it rains, it pours.

Yes, the https server that AOL uses just for Wiktionary is melting from overload as it is - it wouldn't last 10 seconds under Wikipedia load. I too am looking forward to 3576. To date, only en.wikipedia has had enough sway to actually get the developers to do those individual deletions. Over here, we have to delete the entire entry and start fresh. But it looks like they are nearing completion of it, so maybe this time next week, those concerns will be gone. I hope. --Connel MacKenzie T C 04:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)