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Mar 25End date for Usenet's durably archived status16 (16 people)
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End date for Usenet's durably archived status

Background: On 22 February, Google Groups ceased archiving new Usenet messages. No Wiktionary user has been able to identify a website that continues to archive Usenet messages. This, combined with the very low textual traffic on Usenet (it is now mainly used for file sharing, à la BitTorrent), means it is appropriate to revoke Usenet's special status as far as it concerns newly-generated Usenet messages from 22 February onwards.

We can also take this opportunity to tidy up the relevant section of CFI to reflect current practice. In particular, the proposed text of Option 1:

  • resolves an inconsistency in terminology ("durably archived" vs "permanently recorded")
  • clarifies that, at RFV, there is an expectation to supply durably archived sources (a counterbalance to the "where possible, it is better" wording at the beginning of the sentence)
  • adds the words "if possible" to the request to include ISBNs, noting that older books do not have ISBNs.
  • adds a request to include an archive URL for online sources.

Option 2 omits these amendments and includes only the change regarding Usenet.

Voting on:

Option 1 (Usenet status change plus amendments to reflect current practice): To replace the following part of CFI, under WT:CFI#Attestation:

Attestation

Attested” means verified through[1]

  1. clearly widespread use, or
  2. use in permanently recorded media, conveying meaning, in at least three independent instances spanning at least a year (different requirements apply for certain languages).[2]

Where possible, it is better to cite sources that are likely to remain easily accessible over time, so that someone referring to Wiktionary years from now is likely to be able to find the original source.[3]

  • As Wiktionary is an online dictionary, this naturally favors media such as Usenet groups, which are durably archived by Google.
  • Other online-only sources may also contribute towards attestation requirements if editors come to a consensus through a discussion lasting at least two weeks.
  • Print media such as books and magazines will also do, particularly if their contents are indexed online. When citing a quotation from a book, please include the ISBN.
  • Other recorded media such as audio and video are also acceptable, provided they are of verifiable origin and are durably archived.
  • We do not quote other Wikimedia sites[4][5] (such as Wikipedia), but we may use quotations found on them (such as quotations from books available on Wikisource).

with the following text:

Attestation

Attested” means verified through[6]

  1. clearly widespread use, or
  2. use in durably archived media, conveying meaning, in at least three independent instances spanning at least a year (different requirements apply for certain languages).[2]

Durably archived (new L4 heading)

Where possible, it is better to cite sources that are likely to remain easily accessible over time, so that someone referring to Wiktionary years from now is likely to be able to find the original source.[7] The use of such sources to show that a term meets the minimum attestation requirements will be expected if the entry is challenged at requests for verification.

  • (moved up) Print media such as books and magazines are a durably archived source of attestation, particularly if their contents are indexed online. When citing a quotation from a book, please include the ISBN if possible.
  • Usenet messages posted on or before 21 February 2024[8] are durably archived by Google.
  • Other online-only sources may also contribute towards attestation requirements if editors come to a consensus through a discussion lasting at least two weeks. When citing an online-only source, please include an archive URL to a Web archiving service such as the Internet Archive.
  • Other recorded media such as audio and video are also acceptable, provided they are of verifiable origin and are durably archived.

(removed bullet) We do not quote other Wikimedia sites[9][10] (such as Wikipedia), but we may use quotations found on them (such as quotations from books available on Wikisource).

Option 2 (Usenet status change only): To replace the following bullet point under WT:CFI#Attestation:

  • As Wiktionary is an online dictionary, this naturally favors media such as Usenet groups, which are durably archived by Google.

with:

  • Usenet messages posted on or before 21 February 2024[11] are durably archived by Google.

Votes will be counted as follows:

  • First, calculate (Option 1) / (Option 1 + Option 2 + Oppose). If >= two thirds, Option 1 passes.
  • Otherwise, calculate (Option 1 + Option 2) / (Option 1 + Option 2 + Oppose). If >= two thirds, Option 2 passes. This is because Option 1 is a superset of Option 2, so supporters of Option 1 are deemed to also support Option 2.
  • Otherwise, fail or no consensus.

Schedule:

Discussion:

Support option 1 (Usenet status change plus amendments to reflect current practice)

  1.   Support as proponent. This, that and the other (talk) 10:01, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2.   Support, but I'd like to see wording about DOIs and the like, such as that drafted by the vote's proponent on this vote's talk page, included in the proposed changes. 0DF (talk) 17:38, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3.   Support. lattermint (talk) 17:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4.   Support. JeffDoozan (talk) 21:38, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5.   Support as a commonsense measure. Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes 01:19, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6.   Support MuDavid 栘𩿠 (talk) 02:24, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7.   Support Megathonic (talk) 03:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  8.   Support Ioaxxere (talk) 03:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  9.   Support tbm (talk) 05:20, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  10.   Support – seems logical; a necessary implementation. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 23:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  11.   Support CitationsFreak (talk) 20:04, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  12.   Support. This is sensible considering the fact that Usenet is no longer being archived and it's good to reword things so that 'durably archived' and 'permanently recorded' don't both appear for clarity's sake. --Overlordnat1 (talk) 19:57, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  13.   Support. — excarnateSojourner (ta·co) 07:19, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  14.   Support. — Sgconlaw (talk) 12:56, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  15.   SupportVorziblix (talk · contribs) 18:10, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  16.   SupportCnilep (talk) 02:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support option 2 (Usenet status change only)

Oppose

Abstain

Decision


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