Talk:жалеза

@Atitarev Hello. You've added this as a translation of gland. But {{R:be:slounik.org}} translates Russian железа as залоза instead. Are you both right? If yes, the two words are doublets, and we should add a second etymology to this entry. --Per utramque cavernam 13:50, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

@Per utramque cavernam: My source may have been wrong, I can’t find it. An alternative form of жалеза is зялеза. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 20:45, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

@Atitarev: Thanks. Does this alternative form зялеза mean "iron"? It looks like the Ukrainian word, залі́зо; I wonder if it could be borrowed from it. --Per utramque cavernam 11:18, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

@Per utramque cavernam: Not sure. I wouldn't claim it. There is more similarity between Ukrainian and Belarusian than between any of these and Russian, if you haven't noticed. They just share more words and similarities. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 11:22, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

@Atitarev: Yes, this is quite clear; I find the shared lexicon especially striking.

What I mean is that, AFAIK, it's not possible for a language to have two terms inherited from the exact same word; the sound laws for that language are fixed, and lead to a specific outcome. So Proto-Slavic *želězo gives either жалеза or зялеза in native Belarusian, but not both; the other has to come from a slightly different route. I don't know which is which though. --Per utramque cavernam 11:34, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

@Guldrelokk: Hi. Do you know more about this? Per utramque cavernam 13:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@Per utramque cavernam: Assimilated зяле́за ‘iron’ (also зале́за) is a dialectal variant that has not made its way into the modern standard. Ukrainian has the same assimilation. Same for зало́за ‘gland’ (dial. жало́за́). Apparently there is no *жалеза or *залеза ‘gland’; in fact Belorussian and Ukrainian зало́за (cf. Russian dial. золо́за́) < Old East Slavic желоза has the normal reflex of *TelT, while Russian железа́ < OR железа has -еле- of obscure conditions. Guldrelokk (talk) 15:28, 7 January 2019 (UTC)