Talk:зашоренный

Declensions

@Benwing2, Tetromino: I'd like to have another set of eyes to double-check declensions here. Participle - a(2), adjective - a(2),a(1)?

The form "зашоренна" seems very rare. Also edited by User:Cinemantique in the Russian Wiktionary. Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 11:42, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Atitarev This form is not in my DJVU copy of Zaliznyak (first edition, I think). Somewhere on the Internet is a more recent version of Zaliznyak; User:Cinemantique would know. I thought I had this among my bookmarks but I'm not sure I do. I did find this: [1] which seems to indicate that зашоренна is correct for the adjective but I don't know how reliable that dictionary is. Benwing2 (talk) 18:26, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Benwing2: Thanks for that. I have reverted my latest edit. Allowing both a(2) and a(1) declension types for now. I will probably get back to this entry when I find more.

The question is, which forms or both are valid for adjective and participles: зашо́рено, зашо́ренно; зашо́рена, зашо́ренна; зашо́рены, зашо́ренны

Most dictionaries just provide the forms with 1 н. Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 23:16, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Atitarev Page 75 of Zaliznyak's book (first edition) says that all participles in -анный/-енный/-ённый take short forms with one н, and that sometimes this leads to different short forms for the adjective vs. the participle for the same lemma (outside of the masculine singular). So in this case I assume the adjective takes short forms with two н's outside the masculine singular (or maybe in some cases also with one н) and the participle has short forms with one н. Benwing2 (talk) 23:25, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Benwing2: Thanks. I've sent a request to gramota.ru. Their usual dictionaries only provide the short forms with one "н". It makes sense about the participles with one "н" but we need to clarify the adjectives - one, two or both. I will look at more examples. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 23:28, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Atitarev I can find only one case of зашоренны in Google Books and it's clearly adjectival:

Художники, конечно, очень зашоренны в своих мирах. А мужчины-художники не склонны выстраивать семейную жизнь. Принесли кофе. – Девочки, вы видели могилы собачек Пэгги? – отвлекла я всех. – Да, да, мы фотографировались с ней...

Searching for "очень зашорены" yields two hits:

Мы, экономисты, бываем очень зашорены. Мы рассуждаем так: «Раз уж вложили кучу денег в мегасобытие, будьте любезны, объясните, как оно окупится». Но к олимпиадам такая логика неприменима. Ведь любая из них не просто инвестиционный ...

and

молодой человек уж как-то много на себя берете (а у экзаменатора, как я потом узнал диссер как раз был по феноменологии). Рассуждаете вы хорошо, но уж очень зашорены догматами. И поставил «4». В DA-DA политика нет-нет, ..

Benwing2 (talk) 23:30, 21 August 2022 (UTC)