Talk:دف

Etymology

Did this term come from Indo-European, Semitic, or Turkish first? 71.66.97.228 20:48, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

You are inserting the requests for ety in the wrong places. The Arabic nouns generally derive from the verbs; the etymology preceeds the verb. You stuck one in between the part of speech and the definition. I have no idea where the verb comes from, if not proto-Semitic. —Stephen ^(Talk) 22:38, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

The term in question is the drum, not the verb. The same name is used in Semitic, Indo-European, and Turkic languages for their drums, so it is quite important to add whether this term comes from a Semitic, Indo-European, or Turkic root. Simply removing the RFE tag, which was added in good faith in an attempt (as always) to improve our Wiktionary and its etymologies, is not helpful. The tag, for the drum, should remain until that point can be added to this entry. 71.66.97.228 23:24, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

You may only be interested in the noun, but the Arabic verb and noun have the same etymology, and the verb takes precedence. You added the tag in good faith, but I have repeatedly explained to you that it is in the wrong place. If you add it in the wrong place again, I’ll lock the page to prevent further wheelwarring. —Stephen ^(Talk) 23:45, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Again, the tag was added in good faith, for the drum, so that the etymology may be added by someone with the knowledge of whether this drum name drives from an Indo-European, Turkic, or Semitic root. May you kindly tell me where I shall place it so that it is not offensive to your sense of balance? You seem to believe that it is a Semitic root (and traveled to the other languages later); if so, why not add that information? If you don't have sources to indicate this, it is certainly appropriate that an etymology tag exist to alert other users that we are still in need of the origin of this term (the drum). Thanks very much, 71.66.97.228 00:21, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I keep telling you that the noun comes from the verb. The noun and verb share the same etymology. The rfe has to go at the top above the verb. When there Arabic words that have the same spelling but different etymologies, I place them in separate etymology section. When they are in the same section, as these are, they share one etymology.

I don’t believe one way or the other about whether the origin is Semitic or not. All I know is that the Arabic noun and verb have the same etymology, whatever it might be. —Stephen ^(Talk) 00:33, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

What is the relationship between this word (meaning "drum") and the Hebrew תוף? 173.89.236.187 16:31, 26 July 2015 (UTC)