Talk:越

Additional Mandarin definitionEdit

If 越南 means "south of the Yue (peoples)," shouldn't another definition of 越 be "Yue (peoples)"? 24.93.170.200 21:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

No, because compounds only mean something when each word is put together. If it's just a word from a compound alone, it just means what it means. It's putting certain words together that will make another word. If that were true, we'd have to go change all the words that make up compounds so that they can define their compounds. It'd be way too many. Bribes 07:04, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that is a correct interpretation. I believe that, on its own, this term may also mean "Yue (peoples)." 24.29.228.33 06:32, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Middle Chinese and Old ChineseEdit

Need Middle Chinese and (if possible) Old Chinese pronunciation. Are there sources giving Old Chinese pronunciations? 24.29.228.33 20:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Is the (reconstructed) Middle Chinese reading *hiuæt, as Unihan gives? Can we add such Unihan data to any character entry, if it's given in the Unihan links we have for each character entry? 24.29.228.33 20:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Etymology for "Yue people"Edit

@Wyang, Schuessler connects this to 戉/鉞, but doesn't really explain the connection. Are there any other sources that clarify the connection? — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 16:17, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

@Justinrleung The state of 越 was written as 戉 in the bronze inscriptions, and there is a postulate that the state got its name from 戉, a battle-ax which is a symbol of power in indigenous tribes in ancient southeastern China. Schuessler's passage on 戉 tries to connect the cultural significance of this glyph with the linguistic evidence for "battle-ax". Some relevant articles on this are: [1] and [2]. Wyang (talk) 00:28, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
@Wyang I see. Could you add some of this info to the etymology then? — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 01:44, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Certainly. I expanded on the etymology and definitions. Wyang (talk) 03:02, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
@Wyang: Thanks! Great work! — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 03:16, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
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