Talk:West Jerusalem

RFC discussion: April–June 2014

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West Jerusalem

"The portion of Jerusalem controlled by Israel after 1967, and considered by some Israelis to be their capital." If I'm not mistaken (and I may well be), the situation is this: The vast majority of Israelis consider West Jerusalem to be the capital, and it's the capital both de jure and de facto. But most other states place their embassies in Tel Aviv and don't recognize an official capital of Israel. The definition we have rather confusingly captures that.​—msh210℠ (talk) 14:15, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

And ignore the edit summary I used when adding the rfc tag. I typed in haste and misstated the situation.​—msh210℠ (talk) 14:30, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, West Jerusalem was in Israeli control since 1948, and was the capital since 1949. --WikiTiki89 15:21, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I've modified the definition of East Jerusalem, which seemed to have some of the same problems as West Jerusalem (inclusion of not-strictly-necessary and probably needlessly contentious details; not-strictly-accurate statement of who controlled it when). I am hesitant to include a map on either entry, because I imagine any given map may reflect the "wrong" point in time from someone's perspective and thus constitute an unnecessary point of contention, but I note that WP has several (a simple one, one that's IMO too visually messy and indistinct to be very useful, and a remote-sensing one). - -sche (discuss) 18:40, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

The ideal map in my opinion should be as simple as the first one, but should look a little more professional than something drawn in Microsoft Paint. --WikiTiki89 19:11, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

@msh210: Sorry, but I think you're mistaken about most of your claims. The de jure capital is Jerusalem, not West Jerusalem, and the vast majority of Israelis consider Jerusalem to be the capital. (I guess the de facto capital could be West Jerusalem, if you like, though I'd still just say that it's Jerusalem.) The "controlled by Israel after 1967" part of the definition was clearly a mistake, but the "considered by some Israelis to be their capital" part may have been trying, unsuccessfully IMHO, to convey the existence of a minority view that does not consider East Jerusalem to be part of the capital. —Ruakh_TALK 05:56, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

For the record, I didn't mean to include the date as part of what I was agreeing with. That's, as you say, clearly an error.​—msh210℠ (talk) 07:24, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

I've detagged the entry because I think it's clean now; revert if you disagree. - -sche (discuss) 20:38, 3 June 2014 (UTC)