Talk:bā-tā

Tones?

@Prisencolin I don't think the tones are right. The reference you cited uses IPA /ᵐba²² ta²²/. If it were bā-tā, there should be some tone sandhi going on such that it is not possible for both syllables to be 22. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 03:00, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Forgot to indicate this, I'll fix this.--Prisencolin (talk) 04:53, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm actually doubting the pronunciation given in that reference. From what I have heard, it seems like it's pronounced as má-tâ (at least in Singapore and Malaysia). Here are some clues:

• This song and this video seem to show /ma˧˥ ta˧˥/ (with Quanzhou-like tone sandhi)
• This dictionary has /ma˥ ta˧˥/ (with Zhangzhou-like tone sandhi)

— justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 06:35, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Another piece of evidence comes from 新加坡闽南话概说. The book has 马打 pronounced as ma³ ta² / ma⁴⁴ ta²⁴ (which is the same as má-tâ in POJ). — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 02:49, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Hanzi

The Chinese Wikipedia page for Teochew has "馬打" mata FWIW. —suzukaze (t・c) 05:56, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, that seems to be the most common way of writing it (other than mata). I've also seen 馬達 ([1]). — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 06:12, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

(Derived term 馬打厝? —suzukaze (t・c) 06:16, 30 December 2016 (UTC))

I think so. Also, it's used in Cantonese, too, with the derived term 馬打寮. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 06:20, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

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bā-tā

Found as ᵐba˨˨ ta˨˨ in the cited reference. bā-tā looks wrong because the tones (with sandhi) don't seem to match in any dialect of Hokkien. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 04:52, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

This video gives the pronunciation as ma‎˥‎˥ ta˨˨, for what its worth. Presumably in this case it would be má-tā.--Prisencolin (talk) 08:31, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

@Prisencolin His pronunciation may not be reliable since he's a Taiwanese in Singapore (as said on his channel's description), not a local Singaporean. See Talk:bā-tā for a good amount of evidence for má-tâ. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 02:50, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

• RFV failed. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 04:46, 14 April 2017 (UTC)