Talk:faginus

φήγινος

@Imbricitor I see your point, thank you for expanding. But examining this as a direct borrowing from Doric + relevelling of initial consonant + semantic relevelling seems convoluted, if we're relevelling that much might as well not even need Doric ā in the first place. I propose this wording:

From fāgus (“beech”), suffixed with the unproductive -ĭnus following Ancient Greek φήγινος (phḗginos, “oaken”).

or something along the lines of this. Let me know what you think. CC: @Urszag. Catonif (talk) 13:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I am quite sure that φᾱ́γινος had some influence. But you may be right in the sense that fāginus might have been composed in the "Greek" way, that is, using the Greek suffix.

OR, and this is a thought that came up to me today, the word oleāgineus (Cato+) might play a role. If fāgineus is primary (Cato+, while fāginus is Verg+), the -g- of the stem could have been reanalyzed as part of the suffix -āgineus (=-āgō + -eus). Combined with the borrowed Greek adjectives in -inus, this might even be the origin of the -nus/-neus alternation, which had already made made me suspicious because usually -eus is not suffixed to adjectives (although substantivization of the base is conceivable). Imbricitor (talk) 14:08, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Imbricitor I tried to retouch the etymologies to incorporate our observations, let me know what you think. Catonif (talk) 21:59, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Romance descendants

Apparently they are all from the feminine of fāgīnus, so we should probably create a new entry for that lemma and move the descendants there. Imbricitor (talk) 14:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Moved them to *fāgīna. Catonif (talk) 21:59, 30 September 2023 (UTC)