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might "supernatural" be a more precise antonym? or "supernaturalistic"? since "divine" is so rich w/ metaphorical --er, you could say secular metaphorical -- meaning...


I was having a conversation with someone about this word. It comes from saeculum which means "age", and so originally meant "of the age" and thus "temporary" and this is probably where definition 1 of "worldly" came from. I mention this because the conversation started due to the fact that this other person used "secular" in that way, to mean "temporal". It may be somewhat archaic, but I think it's a very important part of the word, so I've included that here. –Andyluciano 17:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The OED uses the word temporal to define secular as well, "Belonging to the world and its affairs as distinguished from the church and religion; civil, lay, temporal." I was somewhat confused by your comment at first, since secular can mean long-lasting and the temporal used in the defintion doesn't refer to temporary. --Eean 17:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


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This meaning is slightly different from the first definition. the secular clergy are "specifically religious". the first definition refers sometimes simply to "not religious", as in secular music. —This unsigned comment was added by Horseadmonition (talkcontribs) 21:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

Agreed. Good example. Removed rfd for that sense. DAVilla 22:39, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
An administrator hitting the delete button isn't the way to solve this. This is a cleanup issue. Uncle G 14:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Please, please do not suggest that this is Wikipedia. This is the only reasonable forum we have for discussing the deletion of individual senses. Where does it say that an RFD nomination can only be for the complete annihilation of an entry? If a particular sense is deemed to not be worthy of Wiktionary, the entry's talk page is noted: subsequent additions of that same sense (or even similar wording) can then be dealt with expediently. --Connel MacKenzie 22:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

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Kept. See archived discussion of March 2008. 06:01, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

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