Talk:two-hand sword
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If it weren't for the quotations, I would speedy-delete this. SOP, n'est-ce pas ? VealSociedad (talk) 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, the meaning is not readily decipherable from the sum of its parts. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 11:12, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep, is it a sword with two hands, or a sword that needs two hands? Vininn126 (talk) 14:04, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- It is funny reading through some of the keep rationale for non-idiomatic terms, we are progressively assuming stupider and stupider readers. It might be a sword with two hands... a brown house may be a residential structure that has been sautéed. A green leaf might be a sheet of paper which is environmentally friendly. Sheesh. - TheDaveRoss 15:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- That's why it's a weak keep for me. Vininn126 (talk) 16:14, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- It's fine to assume stupid readers. A sword with hands feels somewhat plausible in fantasy setting, really. Theknightwho (talk) 10:10, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- I would suggest that it is possible to include too much, and by including too much the overall utility of the project is diminished. I get that this isn't a paper dictionary, and that we can be far more inclusive. But if we include everything, it makes it much harder to find anything useful. - TheDaveRoss 13:52, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- I do see your point, but (leaving aside literal practical impossibilities, such as sautéing a house) the key question is "does it usually mean X because of contextual assumptions, or does it always mean X to the exclusion of any other interpretation?"
- As an example, "green paper" usually means paper that is the colour green, but it's totally plausible that it could mean that it's been produced in an environemntally-friendly way. Even with "brown house", maybe I'm cooking something house-shaped (e.g. themed kids food). We don't attach any special value to the term, and wouldn't think twice about using it that way if the context were right.
- On the other hand, "two-hand sword" means a sword used in a specific way (i.e. with two hands). You're precluded from using it any other way. Theknightwho (talk) 20:27, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- I would suggest that it is possible to include too much, and by including too much the overall utility of the project is diminished. I get that this isn't a paper dictionary, and that we can be far more inclusive. But if we include everything, it makes it much harder to find anything useful. - TheDaveRoss 13:52, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Leaning keep. There is such a thing as a left-handed sword (a sword designed to be used with the left hand, or by a left-handed person), so "two-hand" or "two-handed" could as easily be mistaken to mean a sword that can be used in either hand, which is not nearly as implausible a thing as a sword that itself has hands. bd2412 T 07:53, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep for the same reason. Also, we might as well create two-handed sword as it is a more common form than two-hand sword [1] Overlordnat1 (talk) 15:56, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- We'd probably also wanna move the translations in that case, but that seems agiven. Vininn126 (talk) 16:05, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep for the same reason. Also, we might as well create two-handed sword as it is a more common form than two-hand sword [1] Overlordnat1 (talk) 15:56, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- I wonder if this shouldn't be two-hand + sword. DAVilla 21:34, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Even if it’s a SoP of two-hand + sword, we should still keep it for the sake of Category:en:Swords. We keep a lexical term for its usefulness, and I can’t see why we should delete it. It’s a valid compound word. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 11:40, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- RFD-kept. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 11:40, 7 April 2022 (UTC)