User talk:Conrad.Irwin/α'

I archive my talk page when it gets to ~75 topics by moving the first 50 to a new subpage. Please do not edit the archive pages, if you want to talk about something again - copy it back to my current talk page or just start a new topic there and link back.

• User_talk:Conrad.Irwin/1 Jan 07 → Feb 08
• User_talk:Conrad.Irwin/i Feb 08 → Apr 08
• User_talk:Conrad.Irwin/一 Apr 08 → Jun 08
• User_talk:Conrad.Irwin/α' Jun 08 → Jul 08
• User_talk:Conrad.Irwin/١ Jul 08 -> Nov 08
• User_talk:Conrad.Irwin/१ Nov 08 -> Mar 09
• User_talk:Conrad.Irwin/¹ Mar 09 -> Dec 09
• User_talk:Conrad.Irwin/₁ Jan 10 -> Mar 10

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mKR

I just saved my quotations in Citations:mKR. Rhmccullough 19:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Citations:mKR

I think the [edit] button caused errors on User talk:rhmccullough. The page claims it was last updated at 0:41 (your last entry). But my last entry was at 1:06. Rhmccullough 01:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Citations:mKR

I think the [edit] button caused errors on User talk:rhmccullough. The page claims it was last updated at 0:41 (your last entry). But my last entry was at 1:06. Rhmccullough 01:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Wiktionary tries to change my user name

I find it annoying that Wiktionary wants to change my user name from "rhmccullough" to "Rhmccullough". When I login, Wiktionary forwards me from "User:Rhmccullough" to "User:rhmccullough". But every time I create a new file in "User:rhmccullough", Wiktionary complains that "rhmccullough" is not a valid user name. Is there something simple that I can do to retain my real user name "rhmccullough"? Rhmccullough 09:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help

I got around to getting through all the user name changes in the queue this morning. Thanks for running the pre-check for me. It helped immensely not to have to spend time along the way figuring out who's who and dropping the "why your name isn't where you left it" messages onto talk pages. You've no doubt noted by now that this is, of course, my favorite job. --Dvortygirl 18:13, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

salvific et al

Contributor didn't give you much to work with. I think salvifying is barely attestable. Don't know about other forms of salvify. It sure seems to have slowed down over the last month. DCDuring TALK 23:36, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I have to admit to checking in another dictionary, as I didn't have the patience to squeeze the meaning from the cites alone. I have to agree with you that while salvifying seems to exist, there's little other use of a hypothetical salvify. I don't know how we treat cases like this, but it seems that we could define salvifying as === Adjective === giving salvation, though this is the same for that form of most verbs - so maybe as a === Verb === (participle only). Dunno. I'm going to bed now, so unless you've come up with a plan I'll have a re-think in the morning. Conrad.Irwin 23:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Your plan seems good. You are vastly more patient than some others on patrol. I try to take the low-quality entries as requests for entries or long-shot possibilities rather than vandalism. When it's busy, it's much harder to take that view. BTW, I am still interested in a readability tool, but didn't find any obvious answer yet. DCDuring TALK 00:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I've had a go at salvifying, but I'm still much of a newbie at writing entries (having wasted all my time here out of mainspace or patrolling) so I'm not sure if it's ideal. I've told myself I need to learn ruby and have started on a tool to rank definitions (though I've not even started on the actual ranking algorithm, just all the tedious reading word lists which I copied from simple.wikt) - Current plan is (for definitions)

• Words in the top 1000,2000, or 3000 by frequency -> 1,2 or 3 points.
• Other words longer than 8 letters -> 5 points, or shorter than 8 letters -> 4 points.
• Minus one point for each wikilink up to a maximum of three and then plus one for each wikilink more than 6 (as only relevant terms should be linked).
• Maybe have a quick look at the punctuation to try and penalize short fragmented definitions, or overly long sentences.
• Divide by number of words greater than four letters (or some other such function that seems to work).

Any ideas would be much appreciated. Conrad.Irwin 23:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I assume that your idea is not to evaluate an entry in total, just each individual definition. As you know I would add points for unconventional or Latin linguistics and grammar terms, but that's a separable issue. The very idea of readability may get us into a dumbing-down debate. Were you thinking initially of a bot implementation or the real-time Javascript-like idea? Both have advantages. I would do whichever came easiest just so that there was feedback. It would be interesting to hear what others had to say before too much energy was expended. It would be useful to calibrate the score so that it yielded results comparable to the years-of-schooling interpretation given to Flesch-Kincaid and similar readability.

Looking at the specifics, the one-word and list-of-synonyms approach to definition needs to be penalized strongly. That has come up in some discussions. To some extent that problem is with average word length and use of low frequency words. Long sentences are bad, but lists of synonyms can be worse. I personally like the use of "especially" phrases and clauses, but don't know how they affect our users.

What about the idea of a defining vocabulary, simply highlighting any use of terms outside of that defining vocabulary? Longman's has a 2000-word defining vocabulary for DCE, but we could make our own. There are subtleties like PoS restrictions and allowed use of prefixes and suffixes with the base vocabulary that would require parsing, but we would get benefit from the simplest implementation. Terms outside the defining vocabulary as well as the lowest frequency word from the defining vocabulary would be prime candidates for wikilinks.

Another approach to this whole topic would be to collect folks' thoughts about indicators they use for problem entries or definitions. An example is something SB (I think) mentioned about his suspicions being raised by any definition with the word "where" in it. I'm sure that, while on patrol, you have seen definitions that begin "A word meaning ...." or similar. The one-word and list-of-synonyms definitions may also be problematic. Any of these could be run until they generated 20 candidates for improvement. If the yield of truly bad definitions or entries was not high, then it could be dropped or used only in combination with other problem-finding tools.

I'm sorry that I'm talking about divergent ideas, but I am wondering whether something incremental and narrow directed toward entry improvement rather than toward readability per se would be less controversial and easier to implement. DCDuring TALK 00:47, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

changing Jon Hanna citation to Richard H. McCullough citation

Would you please tell ju66l3r and Proxy User the story of how you & I changed the Jon Hanna reference to a Richard H. McCullough reference? I think that would convince them that I'm one of those "totally honest" guys who is not trying to take advantage of Wikipedia. We can review the facts first, if you like. My memory is not 100%, but I'm pretty sure I remember the gist of the situation correctly. Of course, you're not responsible for the fact that I carried that same citation over to my mKR page on Wikipedia. Rhmccullough 18:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I've had too much of the mindless backstabbing and in-fighting on Wikipedia, which is why I mainly stick over here (where although we're just as vicious we're all friends). I've said what I think on that page, and don't intend to comment further. You can of course link to the pages here if you want to show them how you work, however the best thing to do is probably expand the article (particularly the History and Definition) to demonstrate the "notability" of mKR. Conrad.Irwin 23:42, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

okay. I really appreciate what you said at Wikipedia, but even more I appreciate your honesty & helpful attitude in our dealings. Despite your objections re: mKR in Wiktionary, I feel like you're my friend. Keep up the good work! Rhmccullough 00:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

One worry re: expanding my article to demonstrate "notability" of mKR. Wikipedia started out with the attitude that I was shamelessly promoting myself. Although they suggested changing my write-up (which I have done), my current impression is that they want to delete, and they have no interest in an improved write-up.Rhmccullough 01:12, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry that I can't help more, I'll have to add mKR to the list of things to learn ;). Providing that you demonstrate neutrality, perhaps by including a section on the criticism that you have received, then it should be fine. The current article doesn't look perfectly neutral, so perhaps as you expand it keep in mind both sides of the debate. Conrad.Irwin 01:43, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

utility to copy article source code?

I'm getting by with copy/paste operations, but I worry that I will mess up & lose everything. Do you have a utility that I can use to copy article source to & from my Sandbox? Rhmccullough 10:31, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Depending on what the exact criteria at some point you'll become "autoconfirmed", at which point you'll get a move button - but copy and paste is probably easiest even with that. Conrad.Irwin 18:02, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

ok - I did see a move button in my Sandbox area on Wikipedia.

The guy who was looking at my mKR yesterday kept pointing me at the Python article and raving about how good Infoboxes were. Are those enclosures you added in the Examples Infoboxes? Rhmccullough 14:41, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

No, The infobox is the box that floats to the right of the python article, with the python logo and "paradigm", "Appeared in", etc. down the site. See w:Template:Infobox_programming_language. Conrad.Irwin 14:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Now I know what to study. Rhmccullough 14:53, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

hyperinflation

Is this worth a block, in your opinion? I don't have time at the moment to round out the entry with additional quotes and other material. Anon has confused the usual debate about inflation with discussion of hyperinflation, as well as confusing a dictionary with an encyclopedia. I am beginning to get upset about this. If I had this kind of encounter too often, I'd get like our other patrolers I'm sure. DCDuring TALK 21:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I've pasted the {{notwikipedia}} template into the anon's user page. The user may simply be unaware of the difference between a dictionary and an encyclopedia. --EncycloPetey 22:47, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd tried reasoning with the anon, but it doesn't always work well one on one. Thanks. DCDuring TALK 22:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Well glad I could be of help :p. I'll watchlist the pages and try and keep an eye out. If either of you feel like doing me a similar (but larger) favor, could you please cast your experienced eyes over cosmocrat and its talk page. Conrad.Irwin 23:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Looks like someone new who doesn't understand about citations / dates/ translations. --EncycloPetey 19:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Beer parlour facetiousness/sarcasm.

Don't worry, my comment/apology was directed at DCDuring, who as it turns out had not been offended, so all is well. :-)   —Ruakh_TALK 12:40, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

OK :). Conrad.Irwin 12:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to have caused any ruckus. Irony is not readily communicated with text alone. I'll have to re-evaluate my position on emoticons. DCDuring TALK 16:07, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Readability implementaton

The current weights impose too large a penalty on definitions that do not have wikilinks and are not selective as to which words ought to have wikilinks. Penalizing wikilinks that go directly to the lemma because of the inflection fragment (morpheme, I think) is clearly wrong. Longmans DCE defining vocabulary includes suffixes and prefixes that can be added to their 2000-word lemma defining vocabulary.

I think that a single comprehensive measure may not turn out to be right for us and may not be the advantage of the process we are commencing. As I think about how I have worked on entries, I find that my attention is drawn to a list (provided by Ullman, CM, or someone else, such as uncategorized pages, no inflection template) of readily fixable entries or of more ambiguous problems such as rfcs. I then do the corrections designed to remove the item from the list. I may do other easy edits at the same time. I may be lead to another entry. Or I may do something more fundamental to improve a definition given or add a sense to the original entry. I probably spend at least twice as much time doing things not related to what put the entry on the list as correcting the original problem. This makes me wonder whether the basic value added in the readability process is to draw attention (for the first time (?)) to problems at the definition level rather than the entry or PoS level. Perhaps the first thing to do is to have an adequate general-purpose procedure for handling definition-line entry analysis in general.

Would the idea be to have a printable analysis sheet to put next to one's computer screen to refer to while making corrections? I like that approach because it makes it easier to consult and compare with print sources and to think about entries away from the computer or away from an internet connection. Such an approach might mean that the user interface could be simplified. Would it make sense to run a bot to produce a dated analysis of our entries and deposit it at some protected entry-specific location. "We" could start with entries already on some rfc or other lists or with high frequency-of-use or high frequency-of-hits at Wiktionary (or elsewhere)? Updates could be run for edited entries on some regular frequency.

I continue to like the idea of an analysis that is focused on the usage frequency of the words used in definitions. I do not have a good intuition about frequency so a machine's assistance is welcome. I would be happy to commence working on compiling the elements of such a list. I'm not sure what the right copyright-free starting point is. The TV list, perhaps ? Deleting name words, typos, and certain non-words would be a start.

If you can, please let me know what of my feedback is useful to you, what you already know, what you need to ignore, and what might be counterproductive. I don't want to waste your time. DCDuring TALK 16:07, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

72.139.25.242

His/her edits look more like test edits than vandalism to me. --EncycloPetey 18:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Yup, I saw the diff, and it looked like an attack page on someone called Ray. I've already unblocked. Conrad.Irwin 18:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Hungarian index

Thanks for refreshing the index using the latest XML dump. The main index page still says "The 3359 terms on this page were extracted from the 2008-05-25 database dump" while the others say 2008-06-13. Would you refresh that too? Thanks. --Panda10 14:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Done. Conrad.Irwin 15:49, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Message on Ruakh's talk page

Yeah, the reason I continued posting on Connel's talk page after being warned was due to a misunderstanding. I thought you specifically meant commenting on that section. Sorry for the misinterpretation, I have stopped editing it altogether. Teh Rote 15:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Conrad.Irwin 15:49, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Conrad.Irwin:

I'm sad that you have been ruthlessly obliterating my small and timid pages I've been trying so hard to get into this world. I feel that with your presence constantly covoring over my work, I'll never achieve my dream of being a skillful and great Wiktionarian.

PS: don't make fun of me for my poor spelling

PPS: if I improve on my spelling skills, will you let my pages that I've worked so hard on live and see the light of day?

Any pages in particular? I try to be reasonable with pages that are clearly good-faith attempts - but I am aware I am too quick with the delete button too often. Conrad.Irwin 23:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Talkpage

Thanks for retaining my talkpage - I've restored the rest of my subpages and userpages - although I'm active on Wikipedia - I'm hoping to be active on other wikimedia sites, which I hope I can help out. Terra 14:45, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem. we're glad of all the help we can get. If you're looking for something simple (if dull) to get started here try User:Robert Ullmann/Mismatched wikisyntax. Conrad.Irwin 14:54, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the cleanup. As i reward, i offer to make your userpage look really nice (to your specifications). Will you let me? Reply on my talk page. If not, whatever, im all right with that. But if so, that will make me happy.

The2DeadlySins^Pride_Envy14:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe they are. I saw lay low on the requested entries, so i added it. But yes, lay low and lie low are both used the same, with the same meaning.

Look, i am so sorry

Sorry. I am doing my best to create pages properly, its just i am so used to Wikipedia, and this is new, and im just sorry. I have read the ELE and i am trying to make "perfect" entries. I am not intentionaly screwing up, i am trying my best. What is so wrong with the pages i creat? I am new here, unlike wikipedia where i make REALLY GOOD articles, this place sort of confuses me. I am here because of the multiple languages i know as well as the thousands of words stored in my head that ar enot stored in the Wiktionary. Please, if you can, show me what i missed. Show me a "perfect page" so i know exactly what to do. I just need a little more experience is all. Not a block. Never a block. I am so sorry, please forgive my edits and help me out.

The2DeadlySins^Pride_Envy22:28, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

If you look at any of the pages you've made now, they've been touched up. Try to make pages look more like them, I'm sure you're capable of it, you just need to slow down a bit. Conrad.Irwin 22:32, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Block

You do not have permission to edit pages, for the following reason:

Your user name or IP address has been blocked by SemperBlotto. The reason given is this: exceeded crap limit You may contact SemperBlotto or one of the other administrators to discuss the block. Note that you may not use the "e-mail this user" feature unless you have a valid e-mail address registered in your user preferences. If you have an account, you can still edit your preferences when you are blocked.

Your IP address is 71.254.107.195. Please include this address in any queries you make.

You can view and copy the source of this page:

This blocked user is asking that their block be reviewed:

Conrad.Irwin (block log • active blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • abuse filter log • user creation log • change block settings • unblock)

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Please provide a reason as to why you should be unblocked.
Change {{unblock}} to {{unblock | reason=your reason here ~~~~}}

--Lone.guner 22:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

this is my ip. --Lone.guner 22:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC) i corrected my enteries and read up on ele

i couldnt get a hold of semperblotto i dont think he wants me unblocked --Lone.guner 22:37, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I can unblock you if you want, but why don't you just keep using your account? Conrad.Irwin 22:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I would just like to be unblocked having a ip is good for now thank you conrad --Lone.guner 22:41, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

i won't conrad

--Lone.guner 22:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC) idk why his message was with mine were not the same people if your suspicious. --Lone.guner 22:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC) thanks again ci

Don't worry, I know what he's talking about. Conrad.Irwin 22:52, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: PLurals

Mmmk. Thanks. The2DeadlySins^Pride_Envy

P.S. would you mind playing with your signature and seeing if you can make the code shorter? I think it should be possible to move the font-family into a wrapper span so that you only need to declare it once. Yours Conrad.Irwin 22:52, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

whats a good dictionary on web?

where i can find definitions and put them into my own words on here? thanks --71.254.107.195 22:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Urm, that's generally a bad idea, but Merriam Webster is widely renowned, and I believe Dictionary.com is also good. If you are caught violating copyright though you will be blocked. Conrad.Irwin 22:59, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

i understand thanks --71.254.107.195 23:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

hard thinking up english words they seem to all have been taken lol

whats the best why to come up with a new english entry? i'am clueless. --71.254.107.195 23:05, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Well the ones that people have asked for are in WT:RAE, but they're generally there because they are hard to define. Sometimes you can find an entry in Appendix:English idioms, but be slow creating those, because there are too many rules that people will want to tell you off about :), though I'll try and help. Conrad.Irwin 23:10, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

i'am taking a break from idioms because for me its hard to do so just defs from now on. also i'am getting tired so i might not post for a litle while but you never know i'am always around. --71.254.107.195 23:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I just thought. Adding example sentences is quite relaxing and easy, maybe you should try that next time. Conrad.Irwin 23:34, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

There.

Fixed them up, just for you. Note: There was no Dutch, Deutch, or Deustche lang templates, so i had to use Portugese instead.

The2DeadlySins^Pride_Envy

Background

23:22, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I didnt know the language code for one of the three, but how did i do on the other 2? I thought it was right. What was wrong?23:34, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

You didn't fix the === Noun === line, and you didn't add the "inflection" line, that's the line that goes immediately afterwards. When I said copy rues, you really do need to copy very closely. Although it seems like a lot of unnecesary fluff in short entries, it makes the long entries much easier to read and write. Conrad.Irwin 23:38, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Whats an inflection line? Respond on my talk page please.

chance to look at grab and go to spiff it up?

hey conrad i know your busy but just wanted to point out grab and go is a little messed up i'am stopping with this idiom just to let you know ok thank you. --71.254.107.195 23:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Too slow :) Conrad.Irwin 23:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

ha man your a funny kind of guy thanks --71.254.107.195 23:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

7deadlysins question

should he be welcoming people this early? i only thought admins could but i know i have made this mistake in the past also but now i leave it up to the more experienced users and admins. --71.254.107.195 23:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Between you and me (and him ;) I've no idea what he's up to, so I'm just trailing around after him sweeping up the mess. If I think he makes a mistake, I'll let him know (again!). Conrad.Irwin 23:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry

About the userspace thing, i guess im just a true wikipedian by heart. Nut, alas, i cannot return to wikipedia until i have made enough edits, done enough deeds, and been good enough to become an admin on the Wiktionary (i made a pledge). So, i shall have to forget my homesickness and start anew here, on the wiktionary. p.s:I miss the wiki! But, i mustnt return yet. Cheers, The7DeadlySins 00:09, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, just as a warning you are a long way off becoming an admin, so don't get your hopes too high (though one day, who knows). We have no formal criteria - it's just whether people trust you to edit sensibly and cooperate with the community. At the moment you're doing neither very well, though the editing is coming along, keep it up! Conrad.Irwin 00:13, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey, you should adopt me. You and i seem to be like apprentice and mentor, so you should just adopt me. Itl give me somthing to put on my Adoption page.

Heh, thanks for the offer. But on consideration, no. I'd hate to think that people were expecting me to clean up after you :p. Seriously though, it's better if everyone talks to everyone - that way you won't get stuck in my way of thinking about things. Conrad.Irwin 00:40, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the last thing Wiktionary needs is a Conrad.Irwin jr. :P -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 00:42, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Lol you guys are funny. And im good with sticking to my owen way of thinking, so that would probably be good. But, i think i should be good now. I now believe i know the ways of the wiktionary, and i shall try to do this right. Thanks for all your help. If this was wikipedia, id give you a cookie, but its not so. I can only give you my thanks. Cheers,

The7DeadlySins 18:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC) 18:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

good-bye for now ttyl Conrad and thanks again for the help on the idioms

bye ttyl --71.254.107.195 00:12, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

bye. If you want to talk then using IRC is easier than wiki, you can find me in irc://irc.freenode.org#wiktionary most of the time. I also saw a link to User:Msh210/Duesentrieb just now, maybe that'd be a good place to look for new entries. Conrad.Irwin 00:18, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Wow, look at my userpage

Ive been on the wiki for 2 years now, and ive never seen anything like it. It sorta looks cool, but how do i fix it? I tried just putting in the babel boxes, but it ended up revamping the whole page. It sort of looks nice, but i guess id like to fix it. Please excuse me if i take 2 edits to fix it, i will then get back to contributing. Yours truly,

The7DeadlySins 18:33, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey, what do you think of the page i just created? (aspeace). I think its pretty nice, dont you?

The7DeadlySins 23:29, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I can find no usage of the word in google:aspeace, and translate.google.com doesn't know it as a Finnish word. Where did you get it from? The example sentence should be in Finnish if it's a Finnish word, though you could add a translation too. Conrad.Irwin 23:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I have Finnish family members, and whenever we go to church, they always say "aspeace". I asked them what it meant and how to spell it, then i added it. I guess you cant find it because it is a church saying or something, but i know its a word otherwise they wouldnt be saying it. The7DeadlySins 23:41, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

kelvins

Is Fahrenheits used? Celsiuses? I've never heard any temperature scale measure made plural. In English, we say degrees kelvin. --EncycloPetey 23:32, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

From http://books.google.com/books?q=kelvins there is clear usage of it, but I agree it should not be used in the plural. Conrad.Irwin 23:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

"kelvins" has a two-syllable advantage over "degrees kelvin" so I would bet on it winning in many contexts, certainly colloquial among scientists and lab technicians. "degrees kelvin" has a 4:3 edge over "kelvins" on raw b.g.c. hits, so it's still ahead in edited works. DCDuring TALK 02:04, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Bye the way

Would you mind if i created a bot? I know how, all the scripts and all, but i wanted your permission first. The7DeadlySins 23:51, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Not at all, but before you can use it on Wiktionary, please see the bot policy. You will need to have a clear aim, be willing to publish the source code, and then you are only allowed to run it if you have a successful WT:VOTE (which will last for at least a week). What is the bot for? What language will you write it in? How will you ensure it won't make mistakes? Happy coding. Conrad.Irwin 23:55, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, i love computers. Over time, ive come to realize just how much i love programming and HTML and CSS and ooooh, just all the fun stuff. But, anyway, the bot will be programmed in English. It shall be named Sinbot. The bot shall be for fighting Vandalism (name matches it nicely, dont you agree?). I will write it in english if thats what you mean, if not i am using standard javascript and CSS encodings to allow the bot to view all recent changes and all changes that have a - on them it shall send to me, in which i shall review and tell the bot whether or not to revert the page. How will i make sure it doesnt fail? Because, im only 15, but i am very smart. I will check it more than twice before i even put it up. But, i am going to have a look at the other bots before i decide to even start making mine. Reply on my talk page, thanks. The7DeadlySins 00:09, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey, i can see all the bots, and thats great. But where the heck do we put all the scripts and Python stuff that makes the bot work? Is it a seperate page? If so what? If not, then what is it? Because i can create a page for the bot, but i want to know where i put all its technical data so that it does what i want it to. Otherwise, it wont do anything. Ive been looking at alot of bots, but i cant find the page that was used to "create" or "program" the bot. Reply on my talk page please. The7DeadlySins 00:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

So, they run on my computer? I will create it using notepad, but what file do i save it as (.what?)?. Then, how do i get it to connect to the wiki. And finally, i cant download anything because of parental controls, so im starting from scratch. Also, i have to wait until my mom gets home to unlock the meta.wiki site and the mediawiki site so i can finally view the help contents for creating bots. And about python, what do i save that file as to ensure its coded as Python? My talk page, you know the rules. The7DeadlySins 00:55, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, im going for it. I am now going to create the user SinBot. Please, if anyone gets me in trouble for it (i.e. sockpuppeting) back me up. I am just making a bot, not sockpuppeting. well, here it goes. Cheers, The7DeadlySins 01:09, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey, you still didnt answer what type of file i save it as. While im working on this, you know if you can ask around and clue me in? Just because i am busy working on this. Count it as a favor to me. Ill owe ya one. Thanks, The7DeadlySins 01:44, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Request for Bot approval

I have made a Bot using my notepad++, the bot is named SinBot and shall be used against vandalism. I have used Javascript and Python to create the bot, i havent uploaded the source code yet because i am waiting for approval. The bot has it in its script to notify me when a page has had any content removed, and show me what was removed. It will then ask if i wish to redo/undo the edit made that constituted vandalism. Also, the bots task will be to let me know when a page is blanked, and ask if i would like to undo the vandalism. I have checked and rechecked the scripts, and everything is fine. The Bot was made using javascript only because i have no other source (except Python, which i used a little). It has been run on my computer and works fine. I only ask now that you accept this request on begging knees, and allow me to aid in fighting vandalism with SinBot. Thank you for your time, The7DeadlySins 04:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not up to me. Read BOT. File the request formally on WT:BP (after uploading the code somewhere we can read it like User:SinBot/code ) and let the community decide. Conrad.Irwin 08:12, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey, vote for my bot! I have put up the election at this page, and i hope all goes well. By the way, i am moving the source code to the bots source code page, but i am still waiting for a thorough check to be made by SemperBlotto before i activate the bot. Thanks, and i hope you support me! The7DeadlySins 18:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

See the beer parlour. The7DeadlySins 19:48, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

template question

Hello Conrad ^_^ Perhaps you can help me with this, presumably CSS-related (which I know nothing of), question. I'd like to see these two horizontally aligned:

but I get this weird gap.. Is this fixable, or "by design" ? --Ivan Štambuk 11:31, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's fixable in this case, but if switching the order of the templates is not possible, then it is not easily possible through editing the template itself.There does seem to be a border missing on the first table, and I'm not sure why. In HTML a "floating" element always floats on the next line (which is slightly irrritating sometimes). Conrad.Irwin 11:40, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I would've never thought of such a trivial solution. Thanks ^_^ --Ivan Štambuk 13:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Iamthe7DeadlySins

Be forewarned, he doesn't take blocks really well. There's a good reason why he came to Wiktionary: check out what happened on Wikipedia.

His original username on Wikipedia was GENIUS(4th power), and reportedly he was quite disruptive - uploading multiple non-free images and putting them on his user page, editing a total of eight mainspace articles and several hundred to his userspace, vandalism, trolling, and quite a few others- see wikipedia:User talk:GENIUS(4th power). Following that, he created eight sockpuppets, with some IP edits as well. Just figured I should let you know. Teh Rote 19:16, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

This was just pointed out to me through the super-secret CABAL, though not until after I said on his talk page that if he didn't improve he would be blocked again. Thanks for your concern, it's definitely worth knowing. Conrad.Irwin 19:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Yep. I wasnt the best user on wikipedia, but that is why i vow not to return until i have become admin here, meaning thus that i have accepted punishment, that i know exactly how to make the "perfect article", and having full discipline. All of that which i gain by the time i become an admin here. Of course, i have indeed apologized for my actions, and Gwen Gale said i could come back to the wiki in 2 weeks time, but i dont intend to come back until i have fully disciplined myself. Thanks to you Conrad, i am starting to walk that path. I may not be close, nor even a hundred miles away from my goal, but you have helped me out more than you know. I vow from this point on, to do my very best to help extend, repair, and replace the wiktionary in the best way that i can. This is a new day, a new start. I shall either walk the path of greatness, or i shall fall into the abyss of failure. You have done your part Conrad, and for that, i thank you. But now it is my time to edit, alone, unaided, and perfectly. On Tuesday, July 1st, i have made this vow, and if it should be broken, may i burn 1000 times before my soul rots into the fiery chasm of defeat and lies. I shall, from this moment on, be the best editor that i can possibly be. Just you watch, Conrad. Just you watch. The7DeadlySins 23:26, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

SemperBlotto

Just wondering but why is he so strict about newbies? --72.87.59.241 20:01, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Because he is trying to keep Wiktionary tidy. We have approximately 9000 pages for every active user, so we just don't have time to keep them all under control. As Special:RecentChanges is the only way we can keep track of what is going on, it is vital that any issues are dealt with before they fall off that page. This means that we have to respond too quickly, and harsh is the only way to get the message across effectively. Conrad.Irwin 20:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

well see blotto already deleted my enteries lol soon enough and he will block me guarenteed --72.87.59.241 20:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Best thing to do is read WT:ELE and copy other pages. As long as people make an effort to edit correctly and sensibly, they are normally let be. Conrad.Irwin 20:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

elelphant in the room

elephant in the room surely ... Robert Ullmann 09:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

What makes you say that :p, thanks. BTW, Interwicket is fixing approximately 1/5 of the sv.wikt pages, got to "s" a few minutes ago. Conrad.Irwin 09:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

paper view

Conrad, I've looked at your paper view and was impressed. Are there any plans to implement it? --Panda10 15:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Not as such, it was really a prototype to see how much is possible with the Wiktionary layout conventions, with an aim to doing perhaps similar things in PHP, or smaller enhancements with Javascript. I should really give it a quick brush at some point soon as there are a few bugs that need ironing out, particularly the way it breaks the language name links in the table of contents, but I'm not sure when I'll be able to get round to it. Conrad.Irwin 23:02, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Just so you know

Wikibooks needs ALOT of help. They dont even have The Lord of the Rings yet for christs sake. Maybe you should consider helping them out, they need it the most. Chow, The7DeadlySins 00:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikibooks is writing new books, not copying old ones, so they will never have Lord of the Rings. Wikisource copies old books, but I suspect that The Lord of the Rings is still copyright, and so they are unlikely to want it either. Conrad.Irwin 21:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

WikiLook

Latest version is here. TestPilot^{talk to me!} 08:45, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Headings

I've been copy-pasting the templates and headings for each entry (since I'm too lazy to type it all out), so I must have forgotten the English heading a few entries back (though I'm sure I added it for most of them). Anyhow, thanks for telling me.--♠TBC♠ 11:04, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Extra buttons

Hi Conrad! Actually I'm already doing all I like to do here and notably adding It entry & translations. I'm not interested in deleting spam, editing English entries and things like that, if it is OK the same for you, I accept. If not, it's not a problem for me, really. Barbara --Barmar 12:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Firefox Toggle Navbar extension

It's mostly done. Right now it uses ALT+L while I work out how to replace an existing key rather than add a new one. It's really tiny. I can email it to you or just put it up on the Firefox addons site. — hippietrail 04:31, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikisaurus Project page

We now have a wikisaurus project page so that we can keep people assessed of what we've "checked out" to work on. also to discuss and agree upon(see: herding cats) what the pages will eventually look like. check it out: Wikisaurus:project/improvements There's even a place to put our names for being part of the project. Amina (sack36) 06:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikisaurus Project page

I've set up Wikisaurus:project/improvements so people can sign in as being part of the Wikisaurus proj as well as try to finalize the pages to a standard (which we will post on the project pages!) Amina (sack36) 06:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the warning

Who else was I supposed to contact about the word? It seemed as though Connel had simmered down, as he neglected to respond to the previous discussion. Usually that means "I give up, sorry". Apparently, he continues to hold grudges long after he stopped posting in the discussion. I had no idea. It was a completely different issue, and, not knowing him as well as I do now, I thought he could be civil about it, as I tried to be. Maybe I am at fault, but it can't be only me. To take this more explicityly, I will now avoid contact with Connel altogether, whether or not it is on his talk page and will no longer respond to comments he makes about me anywhere. Is that enough? Teh Rote 16:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

You are of course not the only one at fault, however I felt that DCDuring's comments made that clear enough. It is a shame that this has to be, but I feel that that is the only way we can move on from this issue. Sorry. Conrad.Irwin 16:35, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Cool, I hope. DCDuring TALK 17:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Italian index

Thanks again for the updated Italian index. I would be quite happy for that to be rebuilt, whenever a new dump appears, using exactly the same criteria for inclusion/exclusion. I do have a couple of questions / suggestions though.

• I think there was a dump date somewhere that specified a date in June - but arcigno was added on 29 May and is not included. Are dumps already out of date when they are produced?
• Were you intending to recreate it whenever a new dump is produced? Or to do it on request from time to time?
• Combined forms (such as averlo) would not normally be included in paper dictionaries, and I would not have added them to the index. You might consider excluding them if it's not too much trouble.
• Plural forms of past participles (e.g. avanzati) needn't be included in the index (the related avanzate is already not included).
• I can't find anything else to complain about - well done. SemperBlotto 13:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Dumps are taken "live", so current as of the time dumped; this last was 13 June. Note there is an oddity about the dumps: since the DB is changing while the dump is happening, the dump represents a state that never in fact existed at any single point in time. The all articles dump for en.wikt only takes an hour, so there aren't very many inconsistencies. There can be some: for example a page moved after the dump process has passed it will turn up as two entries with the same name, first the page, then the redirect. (;-) There is nothing odd about arcigno; was it screened out? Robert Ullmann 14:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how things are "screened out" - but it is not the only word missing - I have just come across asola (added 30 May, and I can't see anything strange about it) - and amanuense (25 May) SemperBlotto 09:14, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I'll have a closer look at it and see if I can work it out. Conrad.Irwin 09:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I've run it again with a modified set of filters (the filters just look at the definition and guess whether it is likely to be a "form of" entry or not). There is still work to do though, as I think avanzati still slips through, but I think I've got rid of the compounds, and I've included the words that were missing (it seems possible that I was running against the wrong dump, sorry) Conrad.Irwin 11:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Well done - I won't trouble you again. Cheers. SemperBlotto 13:49, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Help:Example sentences

Thanks for starting this. I've added an opening section defining what an example sentence is (and what it is not). I've also tried to elaborate the four points you made in the initial version, and have separated them and given them bold descriptions. --EncycloPetey 00:54, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, that is much improved! Conrad.Irwin 01:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I would like to say I'm sorry

Maybe I should log out soon, rather than waiting for trouble.

Sorry

Learned from my mistakes. Thanks for correcting!--124.104.47.90 11:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi

I would like to test something quickly. Can you do something for me? I am going to make the account "Yiliojoj" in a minute, and I was hoping you could block it once I have made it, so I could check something. Hope it's ok. Thanks --nwspel ^tork _kontribz 21:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

This is it. ;) Yiliojoj 21:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Done, if you want me to do much more stuff sign on to IRC and we'll chat there - it's much more efficient for communication ;). Conrad.Irwin 21:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I ended up getting autoblocked from editing with this account in the end LOL. I never really understood IRC :S. Anyway, my investigation weilded some interesting results. I'll bring them up on a discussion room. --nwspel ^tork _kontribz 11:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)