Talk:le
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(informal, humorous, chiefly Internet) the
It’s widespread, but does it have durable cites? — Ungoliant (Falai) 22:56, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- le sigh might indicate its origin. Equinox ◑ 23:48, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
- According Know Your Meme, it’s from “le fu” ([4]). Anyways, it passes RFV; thanks -sche. — Ungoliant (Falai) 03:40, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
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Tagged but not listed by anon. See (history) le. —Svārtava (t/u) • 14:35, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- I added a usage note. Although perhaps code-switching in the strictest technical sense, it's often used by people who don't speak French at all for reasons that have no relation to its function in French- as a sort of "Frenchness particle". In some cases, in has no syntactic function whatsoever. I would call it an imitation of code-switching rather than the real thing. Chuck Entz (talk) 15:20, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think it's technically cited, though I understand the IP wants more than three cites, and more from books. Das functions similarly as a Germanness particle, and both occur in situations where they wouldn't in French or German (e.g. Pitch Perfect's "Das Sound Machine", and this entry's le girlfriend, "le waitress", where in French you find google books:"la waitress" "et"). - -sche (discuss) 17:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- We can find the same kind of thing with el#Spanish, -im (Latin-alphabet pseudo-Yiddish). Not to far from -um (pseudo-Native American).
- 2018, Larry McMurtry, All My Friends Are Going to Be Strangers:
- I would call it El Chevy and bury it someday beneath a cairn of rocks, preferably on the banks of the Rio Grande.
- I feel there might be a meaningful difference between use before a proper noun and use before a common noun.
- I'd bet that these particles (le, la, el, der/das, at least) are used grammatically in the same way as English determiners (or as English -s in the case of -im). DCDuring (talk) 18:54, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- We can find the same kind of thing with el#Spanish, -im (Latin-alphabet pseudo-Yiddish). Not to far from -um (pseudo-Native American).
- Yeah, I think it's technically cited, though I understand the IP wants more than three cites, and more from books. Das functions similarly as a Germanness particle, and both occur in situations where they wouldn't in French or German (e.g. Pitch Perfect's "Das Sound Machine", and this entry's le girlfriend, "le waitress", where in French you find google books:"la waitress" "et"). - -sche (discuss) 17:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
RFV-passed. The RFV was apparently only for Ety 1. This, that and the other (talk) 09:20, 29 March 2022 (UTC)