Category talk:Greek participles

interwiki

Trying to add el:Κατηγορία:Μετοχές (ελληνικά) (Cat:Participles) and cannot. I get: Error: forbidden. Same with their page. sarri.greek (talk) 01:29, 19 February 2018 (UTC)sarri.greek (talk) 01:24, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Their category is under el:Κατηγορία:Γραμματικές κατηγορίες (ελληνικά) (Grammatical categories), which does not have an equivalent, here in en.wiktionary. Here, Participles are placed under Verb forms. sarri.greek (talk) 22:15, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Interwiki english-greek solved by User:Xoristzatziki. Thank you!!! sarri.greek (talk) 16:42, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

declinable indeclinable

@Sarri.greek The following text was moved from Template talk:el-participle of#declinable indeclinable — Saltmarsh. 11:19, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@Saltmarsh, a note on categorization of Category:Greek participles. There could be a categorization

• 1) Category:Greek declinable participles These are also found under Category:Greek adjectives, as decl. participles have an adjectival role, and their declension is the same
• 2) Category:Greek indeclinable participles the only member being the -οντας, -ώντας Present active participles (like λύνοντας). They behave like adverbs, they should not be mentioned under Category:Greek adjectives

--sarri.greek (talk) 06:14, 6 April 2019 (UTC) ++correction sarri.greek (talk) 06:15, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@Saltmarsh clarification. There is Category:Greek present participles which does not tell us if they are indeclinable or declinable. This should be split to

Category:Greek active present declinable participles (like παρών, τιμών)

Category:Greek active present indeclinable participles (like λύνοντας) --sarri.greek (talk) 06:22, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@Sarri.greek I think the decision is yours. If you decide what categories we need and create them, I will have to look at the HWL template with a view to displaying suitable text to match the category. — Saltmarsh. 05:42, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Categories and templates

@Saltmarsh. Thanks boss, but the 'decision' is by de:w:Irene Philippaki-Warburton in the new textbook for greek schools. She makes a very first categorization in indeclinable, declinable. There are two more things for describing them: tense and voice.
I do not understand the Template:el-part, I do not understand how Categories are forms, where is |cat1= (I see cat2, cat3). I presume there would be

• switch decl/indecl: declinable indeclinable (solely for present active participle; all the others are declinable) So it would be:
  • switch decl-voice-tense= present active indeclinable, present active declinable
• switch tense: present past perfect
• switch voice: active passive
• switch voice-tense= [present active is covered from the above], present passive, past active, past passive, {RARE perfect active}, perfect passive
• (switch manner= with augment, with reduplication) (solely for perfect passive ppp, IF such Cats are desired)
• NOTE: There is always a possibility of NOT making other Categories except declinable and indeclinable.... and perhaps a Cat for 'learned'...

For their description from Template:participle of, with the word order you have chosen:
By VOICE:
The actives:

• Tense participle of blah^active / of the ancient verb blah^{when modern is missing}
  • Cats: present active indeclinable, {present active declinable}, {past active}, {perfect activeRARE}

The passives:

• Tense participle of blah^passive, passive of blah^active
• Passive tense participle of blah^{active, when passive is missing}
• ..... participle of the compound with verb blah^{when there is no compound verb but only compound participle}
• ..... participle of the ancient verb blah^{when modern is missing}
  • Cats: {present passive}, {past passive}, perfect passive (the modern ppp, MAIN cat with MANY participles), with learned subcats: {with augment}, {with reduplication}

By TENSE (M=modern - L={learned, ancient} often substantivized)
Present:

• M Category:Greek active present indeclinable participles-οντας, -ώντας Quasi-adverbs. I wouldn't bother with subcats, but they could have been
  • unstressed (with omicron -οντας) of 1st conjugation λύνοντας
  • stressed (with omega -ώντας) of 2nd conjugation αγαπώντας, θεωρώντας
• L Category:Greek active present declinable participles 1stConj:-ων-ουσα-ον {τρέχων}. 2ndConj: -ών-ώσα-ών{-ῶν-ῶσα-ῶν} {τιμών}, / -ων-ων-ον {ευγνώμων}. fromIrregulars:-ών-ούσα{οῦσα}-όν ({παρών}
• L Category:Greek passive present participles (learned) 1stConj -όμενος-όμενη-όμενο {-όμενος-ομένη-όμενο(ν)}^{substantivized} {λυνόμενος}. 2ndConjA -ώμενος-η-ο {τιμώμενος}. 2ndB ούμενος-ούμενη-ούμενο {-ούμενος-ουμένη-ούμενο(ν)} {θεωρούμενος}

Past: (no modern) now Category:Greek past participles

• L Category:Greek active past participles (learned) (-ας-ασα-αν) {λήξας}
• L Category:Greek passive past participles (learned) (-θείς-θείσα-θέν) {ανακοινωθείς}, {ανακοινωθέν}

Perfect: (now Category:Greek perfect participles implying perfect passive)

• M modern perfect active are the periphrastic έχοντας+infinitive (no need for descriptionm or Cat)
• L Category:Greek active perfect participles (learned, very archaic) VERY RARE -κώς, -κύια, -κός
  • surviving masculines -κώς (cannot find a modern usage) {συμβεβηκώς}, {εἰκώς} > adverb {εικότως}
  • surviving feminin -κυία ({καθεστηκυία})
  • surviving neuter -κός {συμβεβηκός}, usually in the plural συμβεβηκότα
• M Category:Greek passive perfect participles the usual -μένος-η-ο λυμένος
  • and/or L Category:Greek passive perfect participles with augment (learned or 'katharevousa') {απηρχαιωμένος} (Μ=απαρχαιωμένος), {κατειλημμένος} (no Modern here)
  • and/or L Category:Greek passive perfect participles with reduplication (learned), now Category:Greek perfect participles with reduplication {τετριμμένος} (Μ=τριμμένος), {ενδεδειγμένος} (no Modern here).

Never mind >>because it must retrofit with current pages<< They are too few, and I can redo them. --sarri.greek (talk) 10:48, 7 April 2019 (UTC)