Talk:張氏褶鮡

RFV discussion: May–August 2016

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張氏褶鮡

Probably the legitimate name for this species, but Google results are meager at any rate. —suzukaze (t・c) 23:48, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

This reminds me of the kind of English common names that are really just calques of the taxonomic names made up so scientists can pretend they're speaking English. According to FishBase, this was originally described in 1937 as Propseudecheneis tchangi, and was transferred to the genus Pseudecheneis in 2008. I'm sure people in Yunnan were familiar with this fish for thousands of years before Mr. Zhang entered the picture, and I wonder about the "褶鮡" part of the name: is it specific to Pseudecheneis, or does it refer to a specific type of catfish, whether they're classified as Pseudecheneis or Propseudecheneis? If "褶鮡" is specific to Pseudecheneis, then the name can't be more than 8 years old- you'd have to look for the translation of Propseudecheneis tchangi before that. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:28, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

After looking at the 2008 paper (see especially p.222- "The status of Pseudecheneis tchangi and its collection locality"), it would seem that the species is only known from a single specimen described in a 1936 article by Dr. Tchang/Zhang without recognizing it as a separate species- no one is even sure where in Yunnan it was collected. Something this obscure is probably unknown to Chinese lay people, and has probably only been referred to by its taxonomic name in the very rare cases it's been referred to at all. I suspect this name was created on the fly by the folks at Chinese Wikipedia. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:14, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

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