Talk:把

literal word-by-word translation

HI, I think it would improve chinese entries to add the literal word-by-word translation with some grammatical anotation, as can be seen in the wikipedia page for Chinese grammar:

他tā 把bǎ 盘子pánzi 打dǎ 破pò 了le。 [他把盤子打破了。]

he OBJ-plate hit-break-PF.

He hit/dropped the plate, and it broke.

(double-verb where the second verb, "break", is a suffix to the first, and indicates what happens to the object as a result of the action.)

Thanks in advance. --Backinstadiums (talk) 11:49, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

usage notes vs. further reading

Just moving my sentence to "further reading" is definitely better if we don't want to go into details regarding this research, but I feel like a lot of the research could be useful to learners, such as "把他認識了 is ungrammatical because so-and-so", which would be fantastic "Usage notes". I haven't done any of that yet though, which totally does not make a meaningful usage note.

We could just write the "Usage notes" as usage notes without the "great deal of research" hook, and separately add Wikipedia links + actual links to research under "Further reading".

@Geographyinitiative —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 07:10, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

@Suzukaze-c I misunderstood your edit at first- you do what you see fit on this. Sorry if I interfered. Keep up with your plans on adding this information! 加油! --Geographyinitiative (talk) 07:27, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

No, I think that your edit is totally reasonable, considering the total lack of "usage note" substance in my edit. —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 08:15, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

@Suzukaze-c I'm trying to think of a better way here, but it's a Gordian knot that I can't cut due to my inability to code. Here's the best thing I've come up with so far: (obviously not good enough) The way you have it is still pretty good. My method was just a potential suggestion. Keep up the great work. Sorry for causing so many problems a while back. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 11:57, 9 November 2019 (UTC)