Talk:delusion of grandeur

RFD discussion: May–June 2015

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delusion of grandeur

Clearly a SoP term. Translations can go to megalomania. -- Liliana • 20:03, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

• Keep, set phrase. Also, add delusion of adequacy. bd2412 T 20:14, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

It's not a set phrase, there's also grandiose delusion. -- Liliana • 20:30, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Set phrase or not, it's a delusion of grandeur isn't it? Nobody's denying that? Renard Migrant (talk) 20:55, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

I do. It's usually (95% of the usage in BNC and COCA) plural: delusions of grandeur. That fact might strengthen the otherwise weak case for it being a set phrase. DCDuring TALK 23:31, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

In any case, it's not any delusion of grandeur. For example, if you were looking at a house, and were suffering from a delusion that the house was grand, you would not be having a "delusion of grandeur" because the term only refers to perceptions about the self. bd2412 T 04:11, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

I would also dispute that claim. Our entry for grandeur has no definition meaning "importance", nor is that a common meaning of the term AFAIK, yet "delusions of grandeur" is commonly glossed as "a false impression of your own importance". -- Visviva (talk) 04:16, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Good point. But does it mean importance in any other context? Perhaps a quick Onelook search will tell us. Renard Migrant (talk) 17:00, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

• I favour keeping strong set phrases, even when they are arguably SOP. 109.152.148.40 21:05, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
• Delete, it is SOP and is simply a delusional variety of psychosis. Only its hyperonym delusional disorder is an epidemiological set phrase in the WHO ICD's prescribed vocabulary. But, unfortunately the wiktionary community rejected senses describing terms in prescribed planetary scale vocabularies (e.g. pedophilia had its ICD sense removed and rejected in both RFD and RFV) — so it would not be reasonable to create a delusional disorder entry based on ICD alone and to use delusion of grandeur as an example type in it. —BoBoMisiu (talk) 21:45, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

I created delusional disorder. If anyone wants to RfD it, go ahead. -- Liliana • 21:52, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

There's also a sense not reflected in the entry: if someone is conceited or overconfident, they can be described as having "delusions of grandeur". I don't think most of the people who use it this way are even aware of the medical term, so it may well have passed from a live metaphor to an idiom. Chuck Entz (talk) 01:51, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz, yep - please do add that. Cheers! bd2412 T 16:46, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Chuck. In Return of the Jedi, when Han Solo said "Jeez, I'm out of it for a little while, everyone gets delusions of grandeur!" in response to the news that Luke considered himself a Jedi knight, he wasn't making a medical diagnosis. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 17:00, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

I have added the sense and the cite, and converted the RfD to an RfD-sense accordingly. bd2412 T 13:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

• Keep. It means more than the sum of its parts. ---> Tooironic (talk) 10:56, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
• Keep Ƿidsiþ 06:27, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

No consensus to delete. bd2412 T 13:28, 18 June 2015 (UTC)