User talk:Angr

*bʰ- rootsEdit

I'm skeptical of this. Could you check them out? @DerRudymeister, where are you getting these? The vowel *a in PIE is very rare. —JohnC5 16:26, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Some of them are very obviously not roots either, so they should be removed. —CodeCat 16:30, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


This edit was odd enough that I thought I'd get a second opinion. Cleasby-Vigfusson has something else altogether. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:59, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

But the word in CV is a different word; it says it's a hapax meaning "oats". It is true that in early loanwords, Irish replaces Latin p with c because /p/ wasn't a native sound in Primitive Irish, so porphura > corcur/corcair is certainly plausible. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 15:05, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
@Aɴɢʀ: So sorry - I did not want to intervene in this discussion - but the old Irish form is much more likely to have been used in the Celtic era, and borrowed from the Ancient Greek, due to the proximity of races, rather than from Latin. Andrew H. Gray 12:07, 26 January 2017 (UTC)Andrew talk


@Angr: Thank you for the important grammar correction. Sorry for my recent edit details as I did not wish to interfere with your edits in any way; but the reason for the change to the semi-colon was because wudu is from its older form wiodu - a rare form, that was not only from the P.I.E. root, but also from the P.C. root that you presented. However the parallel form to "wiodu", that is widu is Germanic from the P.G. root, and was much more extensively used. The number of hybrid etymologies in English is so few; but my part is to increase accuracy of etymologies in Wiktionary, by minimal changes. Just because I do not adjust certain etymologies does not mean that they are justifiably correct, not only from my side but from that of others. Andrew H. Gray 12:19, 26 January 2017 (UTC)Andrew talk

Please helpEdit

Please help this page if you could. Sorry, but I dont know how to send message on this site. Propatriamori (talk) 12:08, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

by dint ofEdit

As a native, do you know whether this expression has a negative valoration of the result of the action (as thanks to has a positive perspective and because of is neutral). Sobreira ►〓 (parlez) 10:08, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

@Sobreira: I wouldn't have thought so, no. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 10:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
I have used this phrase many times, and it is not negative. If anything, it is positive. —JohnC5 15:54, 1 February 2017 (UTC)


Could you please clean up the etymology here? Werdna Yrneh Yarg has been warned about his absurd etymological editing before, and I see he is returning to making edits in etymology sections. A blocking will be in order if he engages in the same behaviour again. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 18:54, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Burmese Babel?Edit

Hi Angr, sorry for taking your time, but just quickly: I see that you have been doing things on Myanmar (Burmese) on Wiktionary, yet you haven't got the language on your user page. Just noticed. Have you also been to Myanmar? – AWESOME meeos * (chōmtī hao /t͡ɕoːm˩˧.tiː˩˧ haw˦˥/) 09:06, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

No, I've never been there. And I don't have the Babel box on my user page because I don't speak it at all. I'm interested in it from a theoretical point of view, but I can't even say hello, goodbye, and thank you in it! —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 15:09, 5 February 2017 (UTC)


Hiya, how do you spell in Burmese "yì-zà"? I'm having trouble with the Burmese input and can't find it in Sealang or Google. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 06:26, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Also, calling @Wyang. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 06:28, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
It is ရည်းစား(rany:ca:). I will create this entry. Wyang (talk) 06:32, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch! The tones marks in the Pocket dictionary are almost reversed to Okell! --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 06:39, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
@Atitarev: The Periplus Pocket Burmese Dictionary ISBN 978-0-7946-0573-5? Their tone marks are almost the same as Okell: acute (´) for creaky and grave (`) for high; low is unmarked. The only difference in tone marking is that Periplus uses q for checked where Okell uses ʔ. What's reversed is Okell and Periplus with respect to IPA, where ´ stands for high and ` stands for low. So where Okell and Periplus write , IPA writes /zá/; and where Okell and Periplus write za (e.g. ဇာ(ja, lace)), IPA writes /zà/; and where Okell and Periplus write , IPA writes /za̰/. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 09:38, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
Yes, that's the one! Thanks for the useful info. Sorry, I checked it on the train on my iPhone. Yes, it's Okell & Periplus vs IPA confusion. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 10:15, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Burmese country names with နိုင်ငံEdit

@Wyang Hi,

I suggest to lemmatise Burmese country names with နိုင်ငံ(nuingngam) to those without it, and turns entries like အိန္ဒိယနိုင်ငံ(indi.ya.nuingngam) to hard redirects. Similar to how Thai, Lao and Khmer lack the word "country" (which is a prefix with these languages). Cf. Thai อินเดีย(in-diia).

Entries for countries could use usage examples, e.g.

အိန္ဒိယနိုင်ငံ‎ ― indi.ya.nuingngamIndia (country)

. It would reduce the number of entries required, even if Burmese uses country names with နိုင်ငံ. What do you guys think? --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 08:20, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

I support this. Wyang (talk) 10:10, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
I support it too. Likewise, I'd omit မြစ်(mrac) from river names and မြို့(mrui.) from city names. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 10:28, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
There are also language names. We need to move entries like ပြင်သစ်စကား to entries like ပြင်သစ်. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 14:08, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, that's true. Especially since every language has at least three names: Xစကား for the spoken language, Xစာ for the written language, and Xဘာသာ as a cover term for both. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 14:14, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Burmese words which become voiced due to being after ɴ or a vowelEdit

Hi Angr, what kind of words usually undergo this phenomenon? — AWESOME meeos * (chōmtī hao /t͡ɕoːm˩˧.tiː˩˧ haw˦˥/) 20:20, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

It happens to all sorts of enclitics: postverbal particles, classifiers, postpositions, etc. It also happens in compounds, but not predictably. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 20:27, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
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