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den also old for day in "good den"?

Japanese neededEdit

Hiragana でん needed. 02:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Done. —Stephen 03:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Verifying "den" to mean room.Edit

Surely you don't need to verify den to mean room, all is really needed is an example. 21:26, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

A different kind of room is how I know it, as def. 3. Both US and UK dictionaries agree with me. But quotes that show different use could convince me. DCDuring TALK 01:27, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

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rfv-sense: living room (US). I think of it as a place for informal, often male, entertaining. DCDuring TALK 19:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

The sense you know is the next sense listed. I don't know the tagged sense either, except to the extent "living" room means the other sense (it does include it, after all).—msh210 20:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
I'd inserted that sense. Other dictionaries specifically refer to a den as being "secluded", consistent with the "lair" origins of the term. I think we might have to just wait to see if the RfVd sense rings a bell with anyone. Probably hard to differentiate those two senses from our usual sources. DCDuring TALK 21:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
In my experience, in a house with only one living room, it’s called the living room. In a larger house with two living rooms, the one used only on formal occasions is called the living room, and the one used for everyday living throughout the year is called the den (in other words, the real living room). The room known as the living room goes unused except at Thanksgiving, Christmas, and for wedding receptions, funerals, etc., so it really is not a living room at all. —Stephen 17:31, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
In such a house, the more commonly used room is also called a family room, btw.—msh210 19:02, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

nl-dativ here ithout(meewerkndv)Edit

   De baron gaf den koetsier een wenk en het rijtuig rolde heen. — The baron gave the coachman a sign and the carriage rode away. (from the story Gaston von Frankrijk by J.J.A. Goeverneur)
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