Talk:infeft
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The quotation by Carlyle clearly uses infeft as the past participle. Does this mean that it is a second form next to infefted? Is the verb strong? The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 16:15, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well...is "infefted" actually used? (Hard to check -- most of the g.hits are scannos of "infested".) Normally the verb is enfeoff, which conjugates as expected. But infeft, which seems to be some kind of back-formation from the past form anyway, probably doesn't inflect much at all. Citations would clear this up.... Ƿidsiþ 16:23, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Does OED indorse infeft or infefted as past participle? Is the verb indeed obsolete given the quotation from 1843? Perhaps it is just dated? The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 16:59, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- The OED only includes it as a 17th-century spelling variant of (deprecated template usage) enfeoff, and none of their citations even use this spelling, in the past or any other form. Ƿidsiþ 17:05, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, but Carlyle does use it in the past, therefore one has no reason to dismiss infeft as a valid past participle. 17th-century spelling variant?! But the quotation is from the 19th century. I am aware that Carlyle was of Scottish origin, but the quotation still stems from the 19th century. So you are not favourable of a mitigation of the context tag (obsolete)? The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 17:30, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not dismissing infeft as a past participle, on the contrary what I'm saying is that we need evidence that infefted was ever used instead. Ƿidsiþ 06:27, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
- The OED only includes it as a 17th-century spelling variant of (deprecated template usage) enfeoff, and none of their citations even use this spelling, in the past or any other form. Ƿidsiþ 17:05, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Does OED indorse infeft or infefted as past participle? Is the verb indeed obsolete given the quotation from 1843? Perhaps it is just dated? The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 16:59, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not an expert on obsolete Scots, so I might be wrong, but I would have thought that, from the citation, enfeft and infeft are just the past participles of enfeoff (or infeoff) and not verbs in their own right. Dbfirs 12:50, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
- That is also what I suspect. Ƿidsiþ 13:16, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not an expert on obsolete Scots, so I might be wrong, but I would have thought that, from the citation, enfeft and infeft are just the past participles of enfeoff (or infeoff) and not verbs in their own right. Dbfirs 12:50, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
- Restored the verb lemma: you can indeed find infefting etc. in Google Books. Equinox ◑ 16:02, 8 June 2019 (UTC)