Talk:live music
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RFD 2009 edit
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Non-idiomatic sum of parts. Equinox ◑ 03:53, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- I don’t think it’s SoP. The music isn’t alive, nor even necessarily lively. It means that it is supplied first-hand by the musicians, on-site, in person. That is, not reproduced from a recording. —Stephen 16:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- Our conventional SoP discussions are getting into the grey areas. This incorporates the defined idiomatic sense of live used in live album, and live recording (which is different from live broadcast, and “coming to you live”).
- Is it SoP if it forms an idiom by incorporating an idiom? If we take this to its extension, then we either add idiomatic senses for most simple terms and strike all of the idiomatic compounds. Or conversely, every compound is declared idiomatic because some component has more than one definition. —Michael Z. 2009-04-05 18:51 z
- Well, I think it's SOP (as you can have a live concert as well), but I think that live is also missing the sense in question. We probably should correct this before deleting this entry. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 18:57, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- Doesn't "live" in "live music" mean "not recorded, performed in real time" and not "not performed in a studio, unedited"? In television it means "unedited", but might include the very short delay for bleeping. The essence is "in real time or as if in real time, warts and all", isn't it? I'm pretty sure that "live music" does not ever refer to any recording. I'm not sure that the word "live" is used the same way with all the different kinds of performance and media. DCDuring TALK 00:42, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Live, live album, live recording, recorded live are pretty common set phrases specifically referring to recordings, touting their spontaneity and genuineness – It includes recordings of performances in concert halls or TV studios with audiences, and I think also single-take studio recordings, with or without an audience. It implies a minimal amount of mixing and effects, but is not guaranteed to be free from such. It's also used for titles alone – see w:Live (album) – or in combination, as w:Live at Budokan, etc.
- Are there any non-attestation issues? It is unfun to get quotes when the resulting term shouldn't be considered as meeting WT:CFI. DCDuring TALK 10:25, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Delete as SoP. The senses 2,3, and 4 of the adjective live plus any suitable noun, in this instance music. Other sources seem to agree with this. -- ALGRIF talk 18:01, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
- Agreed, delete. DAVilla 02:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
- If it is possible to determine the meaning pragmatically from the constituent terms, then it is sum of parts, even if one of the constituents has multiple meanings. As I see it this term is SoP because I can look at the list of adjectives and find the meaning that would make most sense. However, SoP is not a criterion we use. The term must be idiomatic, which it would clearly be if it were not sum of parts. This term, even being SoP, might still be idiomatic by some other reasoning, in which case it should be kept. We did wind up keeping, for instance, empty space apparently on account of multiple definitions. DAVilla 02:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. This is a meaning of live, per "live television", "live radio", "live program", "live concert", "live album", "live recording", etc. --EncycloPetey 19:41, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
deleted per unanimous consensus --Jackofclubs 12:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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Request to 'undelete'. The term 'live music' is a retronym which makes it etymologically interesting to at least. It is used a lot more commonly than for example "live singing", "live speaking", "live poetry" suggesting that it is a set phrase. John Cross (talk) 20:44, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Does anyone know where the original deletion discussion resides? Mihia (talk) 23:51, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Mihia: [1] Chignon – Пучок 08:57, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
- I copied the old RFD discussion to Talk:live music. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:23, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you. Abstain. Mihia (talk) 10:39, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
- No consensus for undeleting despite an extended discussion period. — SGconlaw (talk) 03:57, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you. Abstain. Mihia (talk) 10:39, 14 April 2019 (UTC)