Talk:out-Herod

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out-Herods

out-Heroded

out-Heroding

SOP and/or too specific. (Also see #out- above.) --WikiTiki89 (talk) 10:03, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Delete, super super straight forward. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:06, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

• Keep single word, well-attested. Ƿidsiþ 10:15, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

  Outside of Shakespeare and outside of quoting Shakespeare? --WikiTiki89 (talk) 10:18, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

  By the way, where is our single-word policy? I want to read it but I can't seem to find it. --WikiTiki89 (talk) 10:24, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

  I don't think we have one. And yes, since Shakespeare many people have borrowed this phrase. Ƿidsiþ 10:51, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

  for Wikitiki89, There isn't one, WT:CFI line one says "As an international dictionary, Wiktionary is intended to include “all words in all languages”." but then line 2-3 "This in turn leads to the somewhat more formal guideline of including a term if it is attested and idiomatic." which to me contradicts line 1 as not all words are attested and idiomatic. This one, even if it is a single words, does not seem to be idiomatic. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:57, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

  Well, it doesn't seem any less idiomatic that (deprecated template usage) outrun, (deprecated template usage) outlast etc. Ƿidsiþ 11:11, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

  I disagree with your view that it is a single word. If it were a single word, there would be no need for a hyphen to separate the prefix from the verb. The hyphen indicates that this is not a real "word" but simply the prefix "out-" plus the verb "Herod". --WikiTiki89 (talk) 11:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

  Not a good argument, given that words like (deprecated template usage) outlast can also be spelt with a hyphen, and (deprecated template usage) out-Herod can also be spelt without one. Ƿidsiþ 11:41, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

  out-last is an alternative form for the single-word term outlast (and also happens to not exist here). If you can get outHerod to pass RFV then I guess we'll have to keep out-Herod. --WikiTiki89 (talk) 12:04, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

  That is a circular argument. Anyway, I've added and cited (deprecated template usage) outherod, but there was really no need to resort to COALMINE to get this one through IMO. Ƿidsiþ 12:21, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

  Do obsolete single-word forms count for COALMINE? --WikiTiki89 (talk) 12:26, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

  The verb "Herod"? We're missing that one! Equinox ◑ 11:36, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

  We're missing a lot of words. I would not be against adding [[Herod#Verb]] and supporting it with all the citations Widsith just added to [[out-Herod]]. --WikiTiki89 (talk) 12:04, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

  But we'd then need a usage note saying "Only used with out-", which is sillier than just having out-Herod! Equinox ◑ 14:33, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

  Once context is established, it need no longer only be used with out-, although I don't know if we'd be able to find many cites for that. Regardless, I've already changed my vote to keep (below). --WikiTiki89 (talk) 14:55, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

• Keep. —Ruakh_TALK 13:01, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
• Keep DCDuring TALK 13:10, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
• After Widsith's edits to the definition and thinking it through a bit, I now change my vote to keep. --WikiTiki89 (talk) 13:18, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
• Kept per new edits and consensus. --Adding quotes (talk) 14:03, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

• Kept inflected forms as well. —Ruakh_TALK 18:06, 27 January 2013 (UTC)