Talk:pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis

Hyphenation

what is the syllables for pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.21.226.131 (talk • contribs) 00:40, 9 September 2003 (UTC)

"pneu-mon-o-ul-tra-mic-ro-sco-pic-sil-ic-vol-can-o-con-i-o-sis" (mic on euircnet) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.166.57.12 (talk • contribs) 09:28, 14 November 2003 (UTC)

Pronunciation is wrong

In the pronunciation given, the initially stressed syllable is the second, as in "pneu-MON-o". The initially stressed syllable should be the first syllable, as in "PNEU-mo-no". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.67.108.133 (talk • contribs) 08:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

delete?

This page has been marked with a request for deletion ({delete}), but no discussion has been started on the Wiktionary:Requests for deletion page. The request for deletion ({delete}) should be deleted unless such explanation is provided. According to the Wiktionary:Page deletion guidelines one is supposed to add a link to the requests for deletion page, along with a signed explanation, before putting {rfd} (or {delete}, presumably a synonym for {rfd}) at the top of the article. I, for one, think this word should remain, regardless of its shaky origins. --Serge Issakov 22:22, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. 9830 hits on Google. Even appeared in a Simpsons episode. The possible copyright violation of the OED should be removed. --Stranger 03:24, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
• Agreed. I just removed the template from the article, since there is no corresponding request at RFD. Wmahan 22:08, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Hypothetical

For decades I have thought that this was a real technical medical term for the miners' disease commonly known as black lung, to the definition of which interested parties are referred.

It is - try Miriam Webster Medical dictionary online.

Sorry I put the vandalism back in

It was a total accident. I later reverted it. I thought the vandalism was an IP anon vandal. However, that IP was me! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SupaStarGirl (talk • contribs) 13:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

change media file

Could you change the media file to a link instead of a download? 74.128.121.141 20:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation showing double primary stress

Can a word have a double primary stress? † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 23:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I think so... if it's a compound... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Frozen Mists (talk • contribs) 21:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean the disease is factitious

Would not one get ill from inhaling a large quantity of volcanic dust?ZFT 20:50, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

factious? What? Equinox ◑ 20:58, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Don’t you mean factitious, as in a factitious word? (note: word, not disease) —Stephen ^(Talk) 02:35, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

You might get ill, but this is not (as far as I know) a proper medical term used by any doctor. Equinox ◑ 21:46, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

And a serious doctor might diagnose it as pneumonoconiosis, a proper medical term unpadded with insertions to make it ultra-long. ~ Röbin Liönheart (talk) 23:28, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

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pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis

I can find little conveying meaning for this word. On Citations:pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanokoniosis, we have one use (1977), maybe two (1953, looks a bit like a "made-up example of how a word might be used"). —Internoob 03:56, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

This was actually considered a disease at one point and people with cancer derived from exposure to vog do get it.Lucifer 05:09, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Provide proof instead of anecdotes. Equinox ◑ 20:57, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Are you just gonna add that to every comment I make everywhere? The fact that it is a recognized disease and I am providing that info is helpful to anyone that is trying to find sources on it. It's my two cents and more useful than your irrelevant (to this discussion remark), maybe my talk page would be more useful?Lucifer 08:48, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

It's not a recognized disease. The recognized disease it presumes to be the name of goes by much shorter names in real life.--Prosfilaes 13:03, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I will add it to every comment you make that is an anecdote instead of proof. Learn to use RFV. Equinox ◑ 22:12, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

You're just bullying me now, because people add "comments" all the time here, learn some manners.Lucifer 08:46, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Here is a 2009 paper, this one will obviously be next to impossible to cite due to its very nature, just like many valid chemical names which are universally shortened due to length.

• ... from iron dust etc. 7 There are different names for CWP, miners' lung, black lung, 'black spit', 'miners' asthma', silicosis, pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis etc. according to countries, times and parts ... link

and An article from a trade journal with the word as a header - [The]DaveRoss 21:08, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Heh, I remember getting this as a spelling word in grade 5. Memories...

Spelled with the "k" for the -coniosis bit at the end, I found this citation, where the word is apparently used as a stand-in for "some disease with a long name".

Spelled with the expected "c", google scholar:"pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis" mostly just produces hits of entries in "longest-word" lists, which isn't very helpful. That search did include this PDF, which lists the word under footnote 7 on page 8 as one of the many possible synonyms for coal workers’ pneumoconiosis, the subject of the paper. google books:"pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis" currently returns 189 hits, more than I care to go through fully, but a quick scan of the first page of hits shows mostly mentions or definitions, with no uses in running texts.

I did see one or two mentions that this word was coined some time in the early 1900s specifically to be the longest word. It's well-known enough to merit inclusion, but probably with mention that it doesn't seem to be used for much. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 21:16, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Anecdotes (which can further discussions) should be kept on discussion pages (like this one) but out of entries themselves, so tell 1000 anecdotes on talk pages if you like, but they won't count as citations. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:32, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

What of the first link there, the one spelled with the "k"? Or the one that TheDaveRoss also linked to? -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 22:56, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

The disease, of course, is pneumoconiosis, and people like to add various bits in the middle to create longer words for the illness caused by different materials. Whether any of them meet CFI, I'm not sure. Are there any actual uses? Dbfirs 23:57, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Attested. Removing RFV. ~ Robin 16:57, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

I've restored the RFV tag for now. (I'm not specifically challenging your citations — they're all iffy, but only the 2001 cite is clearly invalid — but you should at least give people a chance to examine them before closing the discussion.) —Ruakh_TALK 17:45, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

The original disease was pneumonoconiosis, and the "ultramicroscopicsilicovolcano" ‎was the joke insertion, with the name of the disease later becoming pneumoconiosis‎. I don't think anyone (except a certain paramedic) ever believed that the volcano version was a real disease, but the joke has been maintained, so perhaps it deserves the nonce-word entry? Dbfirs 20:16, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

It would make no difference if no one actually has this disease. We have entries for lots of imaginary things. ~ Robin 16:44, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

According to rocketbook.com (who do pretty good research), this word was invented for a crossword puzzle, and later justified as a disease when the validity of the word was questioned. This doesn't mean that it hasn't entered the English language since, however. Like others here, I remember learning this word from a Big Book of Facts at a young age. --EncycloPetey 05:30, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Any objection to me clearing RFV as adequately attested? ~ Robin 05:34, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Cleared. ~ Robin 04:17, 8 February 2012 (UTC)