AZard

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See also

This header is allowed, but is to be avoided. In most cases, we have a more specific header that should be used, such as Derived terms, Related terms, or Synonyms. The "See also" header is used only as a last resort, when none of the more specific headers will apply. --EncycloPetey 19:21, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

thanks for the welcome and feedback. i still can't figure out the difference between Derived terms and Related terms, but it seems i am not alone. --AZard 19:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Derived terms are those originating directly from the current entry (e.g. cowboy from cow). Related terms have some other kind of etymological relationship, such as a common origin from another word. You may find the explanation at Wiktionary:About Latin useful, since it also covers Descendants. --EncycloPetey 20:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Alphagram

When you add alphagrams, please could you use the {{alphagram}} template, e.g. the entry at cadi would be:

* {{alphagram|acdi}}

This is so we get consistent presentation across all entries. This template and is only a couple of days old, so don't worry about not knowing about it previously! Thryduulf 18:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

thanks for the pointer. the ELE and Anagrams pages need to be updated too. --AZard 19:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Multiword anagrams?

Are these a good idea? For example baker would also give "a berk"? Conrad.Irwin 03:01, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

according to the definition of anagram, the rearrangement should produce another word or phrase. i don't think all multiword rearrangements are phrases. i would not consider "a berk" as a phrase.

Homophones

Just a heads up that homophones are correctly formatted with a template -

{{homophones|tease|teas}}

There is also a lang= parameter if you are dealing with languages that aren't English. Thryduulf 12:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Does that mean the ELE is out of date? Last time, I updated the ELE with the alphagram template, but then realized a vote should have been done. Are you going to initiate a vote to update the ELE with the homophone template?

I have no idea what you mean by, "There is also a lang= parameter if you are dealing with languages that aren't English." Can you elaborate? --AZard 13:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

The problem with needing a vote to update the ELE is that it gets out of date when things change. Myself and others are doing a lot of work on the formatting of pronunciation sections at the moment (they've been rather neglected), so some things are still in a state of flux. I'm surprised the homophones template isn't on there though as that's been around quite a while.

Regarding the lang= parameter, basically if you are adding homophones of, e.g. a French word, then the format is {{homophones|blah|foo|lang=fr}}. This links to the French entries on those pages. See template talk:homophones for a probably better explanation. Thryduulf 18:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Templates

Thryduulf, I'm getting the sense that everything has a template and the ELE is not keeping up. I saw your change on north and Coordinate terms.

Almost everything has at least one template. Almost everything else has had at least one template proposed for it! Thryduulf 22:08, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I should say the reason for this is consistency in formatting, and in at least some cases, customisability of the output of that formatting - see WT:PREFS. Thryduulf 22:09, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

compass points

Nouns? I would have thought they were adverbs, as in: "We sailed east by northeast." --EncycloPetey 18:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Probably nouns, adjectives, and adverbs. See north or south for all three. As one goes from the major compass points to the minor points, the entries get skimpier and skimpier. --AZard 18:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Some of the "noun" uses on the entry for north are not nouns; "Stock prices are heading north." is an adverbial use. There is more cleanup to be done here than I thought. --EncycloPetey 18:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

SEbS

Are you sure about the capitalisation? Is it not SEBS? 50 Xylophone Players talk 18:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Lowercase b is correct. It's all caps in the answers page of crossword puzzles. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_the_compass --AZard 18:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Please do not move the audio link from its position befroe the rhymes template. The rhymes link is about other wors; the audio file is about the current word. The audio file should therefore come before the rhymes. --EncycloPetey 18:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Are you saying that the ELE is wrong? Look under "Additional headings". --AZard 18:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the ELE is wrong. That is an "example" (that has not been kept updated since it was put in years ago), and is not instruction on the order of headings. --EncycloPetey 20:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Anagrams

Don't forget asps! --EncycloPetey 20:00, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

thanks! --AZard 20:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC)