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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! Rodrigo5260

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Thanks for contributing with Bashkir. Rodrigo5260 (talk) 18:44, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

мүзә

Hi, @Başqurd, do you have any proof of this word occurring in any Bashkir dictionary?, because according to other user, this word is not attested in any Bashkir dictionary (i.e. Russian музей is used instead). Rodrigo5260 (talk) 13:59, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

This word appears in different works. Dictionaries always do not list all words. But in literature this word exists and is used. Works: Рухи мирас И. Г. Гумеров 2017г.,

Англиәгә сәяхәт С. Максуди.,

Ике йөз йылдан соң инкыйраз,

This word appears in these works.

I also had a dictionary (Old Bashkir) where this word was also included. If I find it, I'll be sure to leave a link to it. Başqurd (talk) 15:59, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, quotes can help, too, but that word now seems to be rare, given how russified Bashkirs are now. Rodrigo5260 (talk) 18:01, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

BTW, you should read WT:QUOTE before adding more quotes. Rodrigo5260 (talk) 02:39, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I understand that it is necessary to take quotes from the language in which the word in question is present. But I sometimes take quotes from works written in the Old Bashkir language. Is this illegal? Başqurd (talk) 09:13, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

idk, but it seems that Bashkirs and Tatars used the same (or at least a very similar) written language until the late 19th century or early 20th century, and it seems to be classified as another language, tho I guess you should consult the admins of this site if you want more certain answers. Rodrigo5260 (talk) 12:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

btw, I'm not that convinced about you decision of romanizing "ә" as "ə", like Azerbaijani, I preferred the "ä", as it was more intuitive to me. Rodrigo5260 (talk) 12:26, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Actually it's not entirely my decision to use exactly "ә". Bashkir linguists and people who create the Latin alphabet for the Bashkir and Tatar languages ​​prefer this letter. And this letter is convenient for indicating Bashkir phonology. Başqurd (talk) 14:09, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, until the 20th century, the Bashkirs and Tatars used a common literary language (a branch of the Turkic language), and the modern Bashkir and Tatar languages ​​are its direct descendants. Başqurd (talk) 14:06, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Başqurd, this word is not attested in any Bashkir dictionary (of which there are dozens out there). The citation you are quoting above is not in Bashkir. "Old Bashkir" is not Bashkir. Can you please stop creating a myth out of the Bashkir language on en.wikt? Vanished user 127237 (talk) 12:48, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Your edits re Bashkir

Hi @Başqurd, thank you for your contributions.

I am deeply concerned about your edits regarding Bashkir pronunciations. Your IPA transcriptions are plainly wrong. You are inventing your own Bashkir language which does not have much to do with the real language as it is spoken. I would argue your edits can be qualified as vandalism. Can you please revert your edits, so I don't have to manually go over all of them to revert them for you?

Also, please revert your edit on Bashkir transliteration.

@Rodrigo5260@LibCae@Allahverdi Verdizade, can you guys please assist in this matter?

Vanished user 127237 (talk) 13:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi! I’m so sorry for my poor knowledge about pronounced Bashkir, thus I have so far no idea about any better transcription ways. However, I would still like to prefer a proper transcriptional ellipsis of syllabic ⟨.⟩ before (proven) stress. LibCae (talk) 12:40, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't understand, what is the problem? I make edits in accordance with the phonetics of the Bashkir language. Or do you have a “different Bashkir language” where the phonetics correspond to what it was before my edits? In any case, I want you to provide a source from which you verified that your version of the phonetics of the Bashkir language is correct. As I see it, your question is only in phonetics. Let's analyze the Bashkir vowel sounds, and then go to the consonants. There are 9 phonemes in the Bashkir language, this is [ɑ], [æ], [e], [ɪ‌], [ɯ‌], [ɵ], [o], [ʏ‌], [ʊ‌]. Each of them corresponds to one letter of the Bashkir alphabet. Of course, there are a little more of the same allophones, but we won’t touch on them for now. You can find video and audio with the Bashkir language at slow speed on the Internet, and compare the pronunciation with the phonemes on the website ipachart. But, I will do it for you. (link to a YouTube video that I made just a minute ago) video (sites: ipachart, glosbe (russian-bashkir dictionary)). So, about transliteration. This project is more convenient and readable, and corresponds to Bashkir phonetics (except for the letter V, which I'm going to change). This transliteration can be read by any representatives of Turkic-speaking peoples (after all, the transliteration is needed so that representatives of other peoples can read it). In my opinion, this transliteration project is very convenient.

Başqurd (talk) 15:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)