Wiktionary talk:About Chinese/Sichuanese

Old-style and new-style

@Prisencolin, Suzukaze-c, Wyang Do you think we should be including both old-style (老派) and new-style (新派) Sichuanese? For example, for the character 櫻, Prisencolin put both ngen1 (old) and yin1 (new). This seems to simply be an instance of the loss of initial /ŋ/ in the new-style, which is the same as in Cantonese. We have agreed on not including these variants for Cantonese. Should we stick to the old-style for Sichuanese? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 05:18, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

I think that we should exclude it since we already exclude Cantonese 懶音 and since "new-style" seems to be merely the result of Putonghua influence (if I understand correctly). —suzukaze (t・c) 05:22, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

For what it's worth seems like many of the new pronunciations are just called "literary pronunciations", even if they've only appeared recently. I don't see anything really wrong with it to he honest, considering they still are slightly different from Putonghua pronunciation.--Prisencolin (talk) 01:18, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't think Putonghua-like pronunciations are necessarily literary pronunciations. (The Sichuanese dialects article on Wikipedia has some problems on that section.) Another thing is that Sichuanese Pinyin is made for the old-style, meaning ng/ny are retained, for example. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 01:44, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

@Justinrleung A number of the dialectical data table seem to have new-style listings, should those be removed too?--Prisencolin (talk) 06:02, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

@Prisencolin: honestly, I don't know. I think we can keep them there for now. @Suzukaze-c, Wyang, what do you think? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 06:05, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I have no further opinion since you guys are way more qualified to discuss this. —suzukaze (t・c) 06:08, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I would prefer that we stick to the old-style speech, like what we do for Cantonese. Wyang (talk) 06:20, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

online dictionary

@Justinrleung, Prisencolin, Wyang Stumbled upon a low-profile Sichuanese dictionary online, seems to consolidate information from multiple published sources: [1] —suzukaze (t・c) 04:55, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

@Suzukaze-c: Thanks! It looks pretty helpful! — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 05:00, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Nice find, thanks! The name of the website is pretty interesting: Wikipedia says Prickly Ash (Zanthoxylum americanum) is a New World series species part of the same genus as Sichuan pepper. Still it would be nice if they had a more obvious name.--Prisencolin (talk) 01:00, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

"ny"

@fishbowl @Justinrleung So I've checked 《四川方言词典》 and 《成都话方言词典》 and they both use "ȵ" not "ny" - should we do the same? I can't find any sources that use "ny" other than WP (which I've just changed), and Chinese WP explicitly copied the English article, which originally did use "ȵ". Having looked through some old edit histories, the change was made with no justification by an editor who was getting rid of uses of "ȵ" in Chinese IPA in various articles at the time, but obviously this isn't IPA, so looks to have been a mistake. Theknightwho (talk) 13:00, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

@Fish bowl - messed up the ping the first time. Theknightwho (talk) 13:01, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Sure. —Fish bowl (talk) 23:09, 21 January 2024 (UTC)