Talk:𤇾

RFV discussion: March 2017–February 2020

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𤇾

I'm pretty sure it's only used as a component of a character. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 07:04, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

It is a variant of 𬊇 (U+2C287, ⿱炏乂): [1]. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 01:59, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

@TAKASUGI Shinji: any evidence though? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 05:53, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

I mean 𤇾 was from 𬊇. 𤇾 is used only as a component, as you say. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 03:34, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

@TAKASUGI Shinji: Then I think we should just have something like {{n-g|Only used as a character component.}}. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 05:25, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

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Three sites on which the component 𤇾 appears:

http://www.zdic.net/z/94/js/241FE.htm (a page exclusively devoted to 𤇾; definition: brilliant)

https://ctext.org/dictionary.pl?if=gb&char=𤇾 (another page exclusively devoted to 𤇾; definition: brilliant)

http://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/lexi-mf/search.php?word=鎣 (which includes the sentence: 「鎣」從「金」，「𤇾」聲，表示一種長頸瓶。)

I am adamantly in support of retaining this page on wiktionary. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 08:29, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

@Geographyinitiative: The definition "brilliant" is ultimately from the Unihan database, which is known to be unreliable for definitions. I think it can only merit inclusion as a character component. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 06:03, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Yeah, I agree. I'm guessing 'brilliant' was an definition derived from 荧. My only question is- what is the ultimate source for the yìng (fourth tone) reading? Thanks for your numerous corrections to pages I have edited. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 08:07, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

@Geographyinitiative: The pronunciation also comes from the Unihan Database, but I'm not sure where they got it. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 14:05, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: https://ctext.org/dictionary.pl?if=gb&char=𤇾 says "康熙字典: 頁671第08" but I couldn't find anything on that page in Kangxi- maybe I don't understand the system there-- https://ctext.org/library.pl?if=gb&file=77415&page=0671#08 My real question is, if the Unihan people were really just making stuff up, why would they make this ying4 instead of ying2? (http://www.zdic.net/z/94/js/241FE.htm has ying4 too) There's got to be something behind "ying4"- maybe a typo? Seems strange that so many characters in this phonetic series would be pronounced ying1 or ying2 and then suddenly the phonetic component is pronounced ying4. If I were just making up pronunciations, I would say that 𤇾 should be pronounced ying2. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 14:36, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

@Geographyinitiative: Again, the Kangxi page number is from the Unihan database (0671.081). The 1 at the end indicates that it does not actually exist in the Kangxi Dictionary, but page 671, character 8 would be its hypothetical position in the dictionary if it were to be included in the Kangxi Dictionary. I don't think the people who made the database are making stuff up, but they may be using erroneous sources. I have no idea where yìng came from. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 15:05, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Is there a way to contact the people who complied the Unihan database and ask about the origin of the definition and pronunciation for 𤇾? Might be fun. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 17:14, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Apparently resolved, detagged and heavily edited in 2018. - -sche (discuss) 18:00, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Source of "yìng" and "brilliant" discovered

@Justinrleung, Geographyinitiative According to this document, they are from The Five Thousand Dictionary by Courtenay H. Fenn, Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press (1979). --2607:FB90:5ABE:B707:AD79:AF70:BFF1:5C55 09:32, 10 January 2022 (UTC)