Talk:Christcentrism
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I know that these are real words, but I don't think they actually mean what the definitions say they do. Every non-ambiguous cite I can find seems to say that they mean "centering on Christ", not "centering on Christianity". —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 16:42, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
- What do you make of these:
- “"Church" is too much a Christcentric concept to be projected onto other religions without distortion”
- “The Western cultural and cosmological model is Christcentric and personal, the Eastern is both anthropocentric and more impersonal.”
- “When Timothy says "liberal" or "conservative" he means theological liberalism and conservativism, Conservative being Christcentric.”
- ? — Ungoliant (Falai) 16:59, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
- The first one works, the second one not so much (Christ is being juxtaposed with humans, or else the sentence doesn't make quite as much sense), the third one probably. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 17:06, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
All of these terms still lack citations to sources. Any takers? bd2412 T 12:57, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
- How about replacing the uncited definitions with
{{rfdef}}or a more plausible minimalist definition or, perhaps best of all alternative form of Christocentric/Christocentrism (as Equinox implies)? The chance that there is a citable meaning for either of these that would be distinguishable from the -o- forms seems vanishingly small. They might even be misspellings. DCDuring TALK 16:09, 30 July 2013 (UTC)- Even alternative forms must meet the CFI, to show that they exist at all (I can see a sparse number of hits for likely misspellings "Christicentric" and "Christecentric", but not enough to merit inclusion here). A Google Books search suggests that these Christcentrism and Christcentric are citable. Someone just needs to select some appropriate citations to add to the entries. (I would, but I have some real world things going on right this moment). bd2412 T 17:29, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
- As Metaknowledge said "I know that these are real words, but I don't think they actually mean what the definitions say they do."
- Do you think a rigorous RfV test of alternative form-ity is necessary, to show that Christcentric only occurs exactly where Christocentric actually occurs, ie, in an identical phrase? If so, then why not go with
{{rfdef}}or skip the step and insert a definition? DCDuring TALK 20:09, 30 July 2013 (UTC)- My point is not that citations are needed to show that Christcentric means the same as Christocentric, but merely to show that Christcentric occurs commonly enough to be included in the dictionary at all. I'd be glad to find them, but I have a bus to catch. bd2412 T 21:18, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
- The scope of the original challenge was more limited than that. This seems like makework. DCDuring TALK 21:38, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
- If you want to redefine them as proposed and close this discussion, I won't object. bd2412 T 23:44, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
- The scope of the original challenge was more limited than that. This seems like makework. DCDuring TALK 21:38, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
- My point is not that citations are needed to show that Christcentric means the same as Christocentric, but merely to show that Christcentric occurs commonly enough to be included in the dictionary at all. I'd be glad to find them, but I have a bus to catch. bd2412 T 21:18, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
- Even alternative forms must meet the CFI, to show that they exist at all (I can see a sparse number of hits for likely misspellings "Christicentric" and "Christecentric", but not enough to merit inclusion here). A Google Books search suggests that these Christcentrism and Christcentric are citable. Someone just needs to select some appropriate citations to add to the entries. (I would, but I have some real world things going on right this moment). bd2412 T 17:29, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Striking as verified; I have changed the definitions to "alternative spelling of" as proposed, and added citations. Cheers! bd2412 T 16:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC)