Talk:fish 'n' chips

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fish 'n' chips

See (deprecated template usage) 'n' (and compare (deprecated template usage) rock 'n' roll, which does exist but is a redirect). Equinox ◑ 19:35, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Keep as alternative spelling, you can see it all over the place in the UK. Google Images might be a good place to get some pictorial evidence. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:07, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I know it's quite common, but you can also see (deprecated template usage) bits 'n' bobs, (deprecated template usage) bits 'n' pieces, (deprecated template usage) snacks 'n' stuff (restaurant chain), and all anybody really needs to know is what (deprecated template usage) 'n' means. Equinox ◑ 20:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

In the same way that (deprecated template usage) readable is from (deprecated template usage) read + (deprecated template usage) -able but we have that. Here's one. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:15, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely not the same thing, because readable is a single word and a foreigner might not know where to split it. When spaces are present, the individual words can be looked up separately if necessary. Equinox ◑ 20:21, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

...which wouldn't help your foreigner, since this is not just any old fish and any old chips.​—msh210℠ 17:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Keep as an alternative spelling of fish and chips. --EncycloPetey 20:28, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Keep (as an alternative-spelling entry, I suppose). I don't really understand the argument to be rid of this. Nominator seems to be saying it's not idiomatic because it's SoP: fish + 'n' + chips. But then fish and chips is equally SoP: why not nominate it?​—msh210℠ 00:07, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

fish and chips is not SoP because it's a specific preparation of certain fish and potato chips. A goldfish on a pile of microprocessors is not "fish and chips", even though it might meet the term. However, fish 'n' chips is just an alternative spelling, and that (deprecated template usage) 'n' can be used in any situation to replace and. Equinox ◑ 00:10, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. It's SOP, where the P are fish and chips and s/and/'n'/. However, I don't really see the harm in keeping it as an alternative spelling. —Ruakh_TALK 02:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

That's not a sum of parts; that's a substitution of parts. --EncycloPetey 04:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

In fairness, fish and chips is not sum of parts because it can't be just any fish with any chips. Serve me some salmon with McDonald's fries and that's not fish and chips. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

So, Ruakh, if we had [[Philadelphia cheesesteak]], you'd say Philly cheesesteak was SoP, I gather. And because we have [[color blind]], you think colour blind is SoP. Right?​—msh210℠ 18:23, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not a question of what we have, but of what it is. (deprecated template usage) 'n' is just an eye-dialect spelling of (deprecated template usage) and that's often found in advertising. Any idiom that contains (deprecated template usage) and can be (and likely has been) written with (deprecated template usage) 'n' instead; that doesn't mean we should have entries for every such (deprecated template usage) 'n' spelling. It doesn't seem to me that "fish 'n' chips" is an actual term, or an actual spelling of its own; it's just the term "fish and chips", with the (deprecated template usage) 'n'-substitution that we explain at (deprecated template usage) 'n'. (Maybe I'm wrong; I'm not a UK-ian, and maybe a UK-ian would feel that this is really its own spelling. If so, I'd like to know that.) In the case of "Philadelphia cheesesteak" vs. "Philly cheesesteak", the latter is the usual name, so that approach wouldn't make sense; and in the case of "color blind" vs. "colour blind", I think one should redirect to the other. —Ruakh_TALK 19:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Kept, per discussion above. Mglovesfun (talk)