Talk:gay club

RFD discussion: October–November 2016

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gay club & gay bar

gay (sense 4.3) makes them both SoP; --Giorgi Eufshi (talk) 14:25, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

• Keep for translations, at least, since many languages have a one-word term for these. bd2412 T 14:43, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Delete, simple stuff, the translations of course will be unaffected by this. Apart from splitting the links. Renard Migrant (talk) 18:18, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Keep per BD2412, even though I hate the places. DonnanZ (talk) 09:34, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Hmm. Perhaps we should discuss the translations issue in more general terms. If we apply the translation argument consistently, we probably end up keeping vast majority of the English SOP terms, because there will almost always be a language or languages (such as German, Russian, Swedish and Finnish) in which the translation is a single word. We may not need to think that way, though. As an example, if one would want translations for "wound ointment" the base assumption is that the translation is of the form trans(wound) + trans(ointment). To find any existing single word translations, one can type "wound ointment" in the search box and press <enter>. If you do, you'll find out that currently the only single-word translation for "wound ointment" is Finnish (aren't you surprised!) haavavoide. On the other hand a separate entry for "wound ointment" would bring the additional benefit that one could add also redlinked translations such as Swedish sårsalva. --Hekaheka (talk) 15:23, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

There have been, I believe, some conversations in the past about including translation targets based on their being single-word translations in some threshold number of languages. No rule has ever been formally proposed following from these. bd2412 T 15:47, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

User_talk:Dan_Polansky/2015#Let's draft a vote for CFI translation criteria 2 contains a current draft of criteria that I and bd2412 were working on. Accoring to these, the following does not contribute to translation target: 'a closed compound that is a word-for-word translation of the English term: German Autoschlüssel does not qualify to support the English "car key"; or'. According to that, Finnish "haavavoide" does not count. --Dan Polansky (talk) 16:07, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Good! That gives us a rule. Then, I guess, "gay bar" should go. All translations, including Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Thai, fail to fulfil the condition. --Hekaheka (talk) 10:19, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Another thought brought about by your answer: shouldn't we have "ignition key"? --Hekaheka (talk) 00:35, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

@Hekaheka: Maybe; what would be the supporting translations? --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:15, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Some non-obvious ignition / ignition key pairs: Finnish: sytytys / käynnistysavain; German: Zündung / Zündschlüssel; French: allumage / clé de contact; Dutch: ontsteking / contactsleutel. --Hekaheka (talk) 06:10, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

@Hekaheka: Thanks. Yes, it should be created. Furthermore, Collins[1], and oxforddictionaries.com[2] have it, which triggers the lemmings heuristic supported by many. A relevant Ngram search car key,ignition key at Google Ngram Viewer shows ignition key to be more common than car key. --Dan Polansky (talk) 06:53, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

• Delete, SoP. DCDuring TALK 18:00, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

gaybar exists so, if it's legitimate, that could pass gay bar per WT:COALMINE, right? Equinox ◑ 18:38, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Per Equinox, delete gay club but not gar bay. Simple SoP and it's a shame that the rules can be overturned by voting. Renard Migrant (talk) 16:02, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Delete gay club per Equinox, but keep gay bar. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 22:12, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

gay club deleted; gay bar kept per WT:COALMINE. bd2412 T 15:42, 7 November 2016 (UTC)