Talk:lebendig

RFC discussion: February 2014

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lebendig

I was about to swear. --kc_kennylau (talk) 06:42, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, there is a certain user who has added a lot of SOP (and not always relevant) "related terms" to a lot of entries... - -sche (discuss) 07:02, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

The character count says it all: before- 453 bytes ... after- 1798 bytes. I once suggested he could save time by just putting See also: Special:AllPages on every page. I got rid of all the obvious filler, though there may still be a couple unnecessary ones left.Chuck Entz (talk) 09:19, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Stress

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Is this really stressed on the second syllable? —CodeCat 18:53, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes. You can find confirmation of this in the Duden's ersatz notation and its sound file, DWDS' sound file, de.Wikt's transcription and our own sound file. Stress was originally on the first syllable per the Duden, but in a quick search I didn't find any info on how recent "originally" was. (The search did turn up another reference, Deutsche Lautlehre, →ISBN, which confirmed the second-syllable stress in the process of citing the word as an example of how die kurzen, gespannten Vokale [... die] nur unbetont erscheinen [...] treten auch in ursprünglich deutschen Wörtern auf.) - -sche (discuss) 19:21, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for verifying. It's strange to me, because the Dutch equivalent levendig unambiguously has initial stress. —CodeCat 19:50, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

No problem. And: aha, Weigand's 1860 dictionary clarifies that it was "still in Gryphius' and Opitz' time regularly stressed le´bendig, like Middle High German lë´bedec, Old High German (still rare) lë´bêntîg (Tatian 90, 2). The current stress is explained in Grimm's Grammar" as the result of the tones of -end and leb- switching. - -sche (discuss) 19:57, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

This is incorrect, somehow. The initial can be stressed, resulting in a lengthened vowel, there is just no imperative to do so. The fact that it usually rhymes with prefixed words, gebändigt, has hardly any bearing on the matter. It is known that Grimm did not understand the difference until Verner!

Mind my understanding of stress is determined by clapping on sylable breaks, so a little more phonology talk would be very helpful. I suspect it belongs in the same strate as penultimate buchhalterisch and some other such cases. We do have dialekt (Mannheim?) lebbe anyway, well in line with the "tone" of the vowel. ApisAzuli (talk) 20:55, 19 April 2022 (UTC)