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Slovenian in BabelBox1001:54, 16 April 2014
Please delete EMPTY "in simplified script‎"/"in traditional script‎" categories214:12, 15 April 2014
Serbo-Croatian112:53, 15 April 2014
Paranteze112:53, 14 April 2014
Ancient Greek alternative forms121:26, 13 April 2014
nv-Latn016:34, 13 April 2014
Uppan112:53, 13 April 2014
Username report118:25, 12 April 2014
derp & Derpy118:31, 11 April 2014
PGmc adverbs update915:23, 11 April 2014
Thanks!107:09, 10 April 2014
A problem with Template:circumfix1021:41, 8 April 2014
Template:User ur-4‎621:12, 8 April 2014
Funky cat at Template:list:planets of the Solar System/ja220:15, 8 April 2014
FYI a blog018:16, 4 April 2014
ru headword with tr/headword is pagename200:10, 4 April 2014
Template:ga-proper noun118:38, 2 April 2014
languageshift216:29, 1 April 2014
almond416:29, 31 March 2014
Category:Context labels820:33, 30 March 2014
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Slovenian in BabelBox

Hi, are you learning about the Slovenian language so that you could spruce up the Slovenian entries? Or are you using a dictionary?

Lo Ximiendo (talk)00:23, 16 April 2014

Both, yes. I can't fluently read Slovene, but I know enough keywords that I can read the official Slovene word list and figure out what the pronunciations and declensions are.

CodeCat00:26, 16 April 2014

So you wish to update your BabelBox to reflect your current activity of updating Slovene entries by adding sl-1 or something?

Lo Ximiendo (talk)00:36, 16 April 2014

I don't think I would qualify for that.

CodeCat00:37, 16 April 2014

You would. Just do it.

Anatoli (обсудить/вклад)01:08, 16 April 2014

WT:Babel says that level 1 is if you have some basic command of the language and make simple phrases. I couldn't even do that... I can't remember enough words.

CodeCat01:10, 16 April 2014

Please delete EMPTY "in simplified script‎"/"in traditional script‎" categories

Are you able to delete all EMPTY categories suffixed in "simplified script‎"/"in traditional script‎" in Category:cmn:List of topics, please? I will fix non-empty later and delete myself.

Anatoli (обсудить/вклад)03:37, 15 April 2014

My bot does not have administrator rights, so it can't delete pages. I'd have to delete them by hand.

CodeCat12:55, 15 April 2014

OK, thanks. I'll do it myself then.

Anatoli (обсудить/вклад)14:12, 15 April 2014


Why did you delete that page? Isn't Wiktionary supposed to enter things by symbol? I see entries in no-symbol articles for words with the symbols for Serbo-Croatian and Latin all over the place in Wiktionary. What is up with this??? LalalalaSta (talk) 03:13, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

LalalalaSta (talk)03:13, 15 April 2014

The normal practice is for entries to be on the page that represents the normal everyday spelling of the word. However, for some languages, dictionaries often include extra diacritics that are not normally part of the written form. For Serbo-Croatian, dictionaries include diacritics to indicate the type of accent, and for Latin it's to indicate long vowels. Because these are not normally written, we include them only in the displayed form of the word, not in the entry name itself. That's because most people will not be looking up the words with those diacritics, but rather without them. For example, someone will generally be looking up cano and not canō as the word is not written that way in normal texts.

CodeCat12:53, 15 April 2014


Thanks you. Eu încerc asta, dar sunt situații care datorită bi-valenței în utilizare, nu pot fi altfel rezonabil rezolvate. Mersi ptr. atențieǃ

BAICAN XXX (talk)03:46, 14 April 2014

Sorry, I don't speak any Romanian...

CodeCat12:53, 14 April 2014

Ancient Greek alternative forms

Right, but I don't really know where else to put them. I took a look at the subcategories of Category:English alternative forms, and no one really fit for the purpose of Ancient Greek.

Fsojic (talk)21:24, 13 April 2014

Do they need to be put anywhere at all? I'm not sure I understand.

CodeCat21:26, 13 April 2014


You indicate that Template:nv-Latn was migrated to Module:scripts. How do I use Module:scripts to set a text in the correct script? I don’t know anything about Lua. —Stephen (Talk) 16:34, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

—Stephen (Talk)16:34, 13 April 2014

Use {{lang|nv|(text)}}.

CodeCat16:34, 13 April 2014


Hi CodeCat,

Concerning Appendix:Proto-Germanic/uppai. The Old Dutch dictionary in the WNT says: uppan, meaning "above", is derived from the adverb *uppa + an (I added the *; I assume it's unattested because it's not present in the WNT). See: [1]. I chose to insert the attested form (though less of a pure descendant, I admit) than the unattested one.

Morgengave (talk)08:57, 13 April 2014

It's probably better to put it at *ubanē. If you see the note in the descendants section you'll understand why.

CodeCat12:53, 13 April 2014

Username report

User account User:Fartfacebuttholerozga (talk / contribs) was recently created. I don't know if you have administrator rights, but I'm sure there are rules about usernames here, so where should I report this? LalalalaSta (talk) 18:24, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

LalalalaSta (talk)18:24, 12 April 2014

Generally, unless they are actually making bad edits, we usually ignore such accounts. As long as they aren't causing any harm, it's probably ok to leave them.

If you want to report vandalism, you can do that at WT:VIP.

CodeCat18:25, 12 April 2014

derp & Derpy

Really? I would be interested to see use of derp (to have eyes like that) pre-dating Derpy. I thought Derpy was so-called because of the slang for being stupid (unrelated to eyes), because the eyes make him/her look stupid... Equinox 17:53, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Equinox 17:53, 11 April 2014

I'm pretty sure that the term "derp" has been used in reference to that facial expression long before then.

CodeCat18:31, 11 April 2014

PGmc adverbs update

I have not been able to find a definitive source for the etymology of the ablative *-nV suffix, but apparently it could also appear in Sanskrit vinā, "without", and Latin supernē, "from above". The suffix could also apparently show up in Germanic *fanē, *hinē, *þanē, according to Kroonen. The former could be derived from PIE *h₂po-, a variant of *h₂epó, which would make it cognate to Latin po-.

If you find it acceptable, we could create the entries with the *-ē ending, with an explanation that the vowel is indeterminate and that that form is either the least problematic or least contested form. If not, then we could take up your earlier proposal to create the forms with the vowel left blank.

Anglom (talk)04:42, 8 April 2014

I found a paper recently that went a bit further into various Germanic words with an n-suffix, including these adverbs and prepositions. It's called "The Proto-Germanic N-stems - A Study", by Guus Kroonen.

CodeCat12:42, 8 April 2014

There is another paper available on titled "Consonant Gradation in the Proto-Germanic Iteratives" by Guus Kroonen as well, which I guess would be a shorter follow-up.

Anglom (talk)15:33, 8 April 2014

One thing I was wondering about. Should not Proto-Germanic *ana have lost the final vowel?

Is it possible that there were two originally distinct forms, *an(from earlier *ana) and, say, *anǭ or *anē?

Anglom (talk)02:58, 11 April 2014

Final -a is not preserved in any Germanic language that has a body of any decent size. It's only found in Proto-Norse runic inscriptions, and those attest only a few words.

CodeCat03:00, 11 April 2014

Sorry, I meant the preposition *ana.

Anglom (talk)03:03, 11 April 2014


Thanks for fixing up the stuff surrounding PIE -iHnos after I created it. I wasn't quite sure what just how to do all the bits. It looks much better now :)., 10 April 2014

Oops, that was me. Sorry.

TimNelson (talk)07:09, 10 April 2014

A problem with Template:circumfix

Hi CodeCat. Currently, when {{circumfix}} is used, it generates three links, one for the circumfixed antecedent term, and one each for the preceding and following parts of the circumfix; this results in links to pages that may be utterly irrelevant or even non-existent. Take the example of the Georgian word უბრალო (ubralo), in the entry for which {{circumfix|უ- -ო|უ|ბრალი|ო|lang=ka}} currently displays this:

*უ- (*u-) doesn't exist and -ო (-o) contains nothing relevant; both the links on either side of ბრალი (brali) should link to უ- -ო (u- -o). {{circumfix|უ- -ო|უ|ბრალი|ო|lang=ka}} should display this:

Unless I'm missing something, all that should be necessary is to pipe the links for the first and third terms, so that they link to the proper page, for the circumfix. Would you be able and willing to edit {{circumfix}} to correct this bug, please? Thanks for your time.

 — I.S.M.E.T.A.02:46, 31 March 2014

The template already has alt1= and alt3= parameters. What should be done with those?

CodeCat02:48, 31 March 2014

I don't suppose that's a problem, or is it? They just change what's displayed, rather than the link, right?

 — I.S.M.E.T.A.03:06, 31 March 2014

Currently, the template takes four main parameters: the circumfix itself, the first part, the middle word, and the second part. On top of that, it takes alt1, alt2 and alt3 parameters to override the display of each part. If I change the template so that it uses the first parameter to figure out what to link to, then the 2nd and 4th parameters only really change the display, and alt1 and alt3 parameters don't really have a distinct use anymore.

CodeCat03:11, 31 March 2014

Oh, I see. So, should we get rid of them? I suppose before we do, we'd need to fix any current uses of them. Is there a way to find out which entries, if any, use either or both of these alt1 and alt3 parameters?

 — I.S.M.E.T.A.03:16, 31 March 2014

What I'm more curious about is why there is that first parameter to begin with. It seems redundant to the 2nd and 4th, which could presumably be used to reconstruct the "whole" circumfix from its two parts.

But since this is a rather specific template that not many languages need, I can't really judge the merit of how it was made to work. Maybe you should ask at the GP, so that those who actually work with this template can explain.

CodeCat03:19, 31 March 2014

Template:User ur-4‎

you have broken my edit of the template. Could you please revert your changes?
Shujaat01 (talk)16:18, 8 April 2014

No, it's better how it is now. Could you work from the template as it is now?

CodeCat16:32, 8 April 2014

I didn't see that you changed the template. I thought you just changed the words. Thanks a lot for the last edit :)

Shujaat01 (talk)20:45, 8 April 2014

I don't know any Urdu, so I am not able to read what it says. And because it's written right to left, the text looks strange when I'm editing it, characters are mixed up.

All of our user language templates also link to the category that shows how well someone speaks it. If you look at Template:User ur-2 you can see what I mean. Are you able to add such a link to the ur-4 template as well?

CodeCat20:49, 8 April 2014

<butting in> According to Google Translate, it says "Urdu is the mother tongue of the user." </butting in>

SemperBlotto (talk)21:01, 8 April 2014

Oh... well in that case this template should probably really be Template:User ur. The name Template:User ur-4 would be used for people who are not native speakers, but speak Urdu as good as a native speaker.

CodeCat21:06, 8 April 2014

Funky cat at Template:list:planets of the Solar System/ja

The category for Template:list:planets of the Solar System/ja as included in 木星#Japanese doesn't seem to be working correctly. Could you take a look at that? TIA, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 20:08, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig20:08, 8 April 2014


CodeCat20:13, 8 April 2014

Excellent, thank you!

‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig20:15, 8 April 2014

FYI a blog

I've noticed you keep having interesting questions about Proto-Finnic related matters, on WP or here. FWIW I run a research blog on Uralic historical linguistics if you're interested in detailed stuff or general chatter…

Tropylium (talk)18:16, 4 April 2014

ru headword with tr/headword is pagename


Do you know why телесериал get into this category?

Anatoli (обсудить/вклад)23:19, 3 April 2014

No, but the transliteration was wrong anyway. I removed it.

CodeCat00:07, 4 April 2014

Ah, thanks. Silly me. "телесериа́ла" is genitive, I should have removed "tr=", which was automatically generated by Ruakh's tool.

Anatoli (обсудить/вклад)00:08, 4 April 2014

Template:ga-proper noun

As you were the last person to edit this template, can you figure out why it's now putting two stray right-hand braces at the end of entries (e.g. Sinéad)? Thanks.

Aɴɢʀ (talk)18:34, 2 April 2014

Fixed, thank you.

CodeCat18:38, 2 April 2014


Hi, CodeCat.

What is the replacement for the old {{languageshift}}? I checked the language/template module and couldn'y figure it out. Thanks.

Malafaya (talk)16:17, 1 April 2014

It's {{#invoke:languages/templates|lookup|(language code)|getCategoryName}}.

CodeCat16:20, 1 April 2014

Like a charm! Thank you.

Malafaya (talk)16:29, 1 April 2014


See the talk page of almond (and also Feedback). Is this because of the way the script is specified in Module:languages?

SemperBlotto (talk)11:12, 24 August 2013

It's actually the translation that's lacking the script, and the default is Hebr. Script detection hasn't been added to translations yet, but it should be at some point.

CodeCat11:14, 24 August 2013

Oh, apparently it has been added. I wonder why it's not detecting the script right...

I've asked Z if he knows more.

CodeCat11:15, 24 August 2013

Hello CodeCat,

I'm not sure if the issue I've noticed is related to the one discussed in this thread but it looks like something went wrong when the template:Hebr was replaced by in the article ויאמר. Thank you for your attention. Have a good one., 31 March 2014

I fixed it, thank you.

CodeCat16:29, 31 March 2014

Category:Context labels

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Last edit: 23:27, 26 November 2013

I took some time off to focus on my studies and noticed a major change has occurred. I am trying to gather all the pertinent information so that I can not make mistakes as I edit. I noticed you are involved in the deletion process and was wondering if you can help me out. What has replaced the context labels from? Any help would be appreciated.

Speednat (talk)23:27, 26 November 2013
Edited by author.
Last edit: 23:40, 26 November 2013

They're now in Module:labels/data. You can delete the old ones, but they need to be orphaned first if they're not already.

CodeCat23:40, 26 November 2013

Can you point me to some pages that have used this "module"?

Speednat (talk)00:07, 27 November 2013


CodeCat00:13, 27 November 2013
Edited by 2 users.
Last edit: 00:53, 7 December 2013

I am thoroughly confused. Do I still use the {{context}}template? So for example, for an archaic, british english, military term.


(US, archaic, military)

or is there something new. Because what I am reading on the modules:labels/data pages seems to infer that that whole family of lables/templates are being deleted.

What should I be doing on a page that I edit today?

Speednat (talk)00:26, 27 November 2013

It's used the same way as it was before. The only difference is that you can't use the label templates alone, like just {{US|archaic|military}}. You have to put {{context}} in front for it to work. You can also use {{cx}} which is a shorthand. {{label}} is another alternative which takes the language code as its first parameter, instead of as lang=.

What has changed is the way the label data itself is stored and processed. When you want to create a new "recognised" label, you don't create a template, you add an entry for it in Module:labels/data instead.

CodeCat00:47, 27 November 2013
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