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MewBot adding lang to column templates522:27, 23 April 2017
My Contributions322:01, 19 April 2017
Dutch and the letter "g"119:19, 19 April 2017
Category:Tamil nouns111:57, 16 April 2017
Template categories300:41, 16 April 2017
anser319:42, 14 April 2017
Good Friday219:13, 14 April 2017
identical cognates217:56, 14 April 2017
The time allocated for running scripts has expired114:10, 14 April 2017
JavaScript016:55, 8 April 2017
Balkanite page changes reverted323:21, 3 April 2017
Improve Special:Contributions/Ooswesthoesbes' edits113:53, 3 April 2017
{{m|gem-pro|*finþaną}}302:05, 1 April 2017
Entry 'abgedichtet'115:33, 30 March 2017
Module:headword521:17, 25 March 2017
Need advice on Modern Germanic1313:48, 25 March 2017
Etymology of "Xhosa"113:39, 24 March 2017
circumfic/confix420:28, 19 March 2017
Requests on News talk519:27, 15 March 2017
T:etymtree vs T:desctree215:40, 4 March 2017
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MewBot adding lang to column templates

Hey, MewBot's change to pages where {{l}} is used in {{der3}} is causing the full_link to be added twice. See for instance θνῄσκω (thnḗiskō).

Eru·tuon19:38, 13 April 2017

These will be fixed, but for now I'm ensuring that lang= is always present.

CodeCat19:38, 13 April 2017

Okay. I was thinking, maybe Module:columns should check if a list entry has language and script tagging and a link already, so that people can still use {{l}} in list entries to provide annotations (gender, alternative transliteration, translation). However, I'm not totally sure which annotations should be allowed in Derived terms lists.

Eru·tuon22:53, 13 April 2017

If you're going to use {{l}} in {{der3}}, you might as well wrap it in {{der-top3}} instead now that it's autobalancing.

CodeCat22:54, 13 April 2017

I no longer use {{l}} in {{der3}}, but others do, and I'm not sure if there's a policy about what sorts of annotations should be added to items in a list of derived terms (i.e., whether I should be removing the annotations that someone else has added).

Eru·tuon23:02, 13 April 2017
 
 

When do you plan to deal with this? Currently the kludge is this.

suzukaze (tc)22:27, 23 April 2017
 
 

My Contributions

I apologise for my inability to post things properly. I am very new to this but have been in love with languages for a while, so I've wanted to post some words from unknown languages of sorts. I don't understand formatting (I'm 13 :/) so it's very difficult for me.

Adventuregirl182 (talk)21:46, 19 April 2017

It's ok. Everyone has to start somewhere! We take our formatting very seriously here as you can see from the number of people that have already posted to your talk page. WT:EL is our main policy for formatting, but I can understand if it's a lot to take in at once. It can be very helpful to see what changes other people make to your entries afterwards; this gives you clues about how the entries should be written. One way to keep track of changes to entries is to use your Watchlist.

You can add all pages you create or edit to your watchlist (using the button "Watch this page" below the area containing the text of the page). This lets you come back to your watchlist later and see what others have changed since your edit. There is an option in the preferences, on the "Watchlist" tab, to "Add pages and files I edit to my watchlist", and another to "Add pages I create and files I upload to my watchlist". This way, you'll automatically have all pages you've done something to on your watchlist, and all you need to do is check the list periodically.

Feel free to ask me if you have any more questions!

CodeCat21:55, 19 April 2017

Thank you! I'm so glad this community is so welcoming to young members.

Adventuregirl182 (talk)22:00, 19 April 2017

It differs on who you meet, sadly. Some people have complained that it's not so welcoming. I try my best, though.

CodeCat22:01, 19 April 2017
 
 
 

Dutch and the letter "g"

Hello. I've long been confused about this, so I thought that I would ask a native speaker to clear this up for me.

I was under the impression that in Dutch, the letter "g" is pronounced /ɣ/ (except at the end of a word). But in most of the audio files that we have here, "g" seems to be pronounced /x/.

Why is this?

Thank you in advance.

Tharthan (talk)19:18, 19 April 2017

This is a dialectal variation. For some speakers, the phoneme merges with /x/.

CodeCat19:19, 19 April 2017
 

Category:Tamil nouns

Hi, many words in this category have their headwords without templates such as {{ta-noun}}. Can your MewBot fix this, and remove the manual transliteration. C.f. ஓடம் (ōṭam, boat) for example

AWESOME meeos * ([nʲɪ‿bʲɪ.spɐˈko.ɪtʲ])10:02, 16 April 2017

I may do it sometime, but not at the moment.

CodeCat11:57, 16 April 2017
 

Template categories

I do think that Category:Reference templates by language (where all the subcategories are) should be a part of Category:Reference templates (which has the interwiki links). Can you please explain why you reverted my categorization?

LA2 (talk)15:32, 15 April 2017

Because it's about to be deleted.

CodeCat15:43, 15 April 2017

In that case, the interwiki links should move to the surviving category, right? And interwiki links for categories on Wiktionary are still maintained in the wikitext, not through Wikidata, right?

LA2 (talk)00:36, 16 April 2017

Yes and yes.

CodeCat00:41, 16 April 2017
 
 
 

This rollback is in error.

19:24, 14 April 2017
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CodeCat19:25, 14 April 2017

what?

19:41, 14 April 2017

You're not fooling anyone.

CodeCat19:42, 14 April 2017
 
 
 

This rollback is in error.

19:08, 14 April 2017

lol

CodeCat19:09, 14 April 2017

???

19:13, 14 April 2017
 
 

identical cognates

In your edit summary to salt, you ask: "Why not provide the Norwegian word?" There are many words where both the Norwegian, Swedish and Danish cognates are the same, and it seems to me to simply clutter the text to put e.g. "Norwegian salt, Swedish salt, Danish salt" rather than simply e.g. "Norwegian, Swedish and Danish salt". Isn't that precisely why this template has this function anyway? (Barend (talk) 15:50, 14 April 2017 (UTC))

Barend (talk)15:50, 14 April 2017

But these are three different words with three different pronunciations. If someone with a screen reader views the page, they will hear "Norwegian and Swedish" and then salt in a Swedish pronunciation. Moreover, the link salt points to the Swedish section of the page.

CodeCat15:54, 14 April 2017

Well, if there is a consensus to remove this function of the template, I won't push the issue. Is there?

Barend (talk)17:56, 14 April 2017
 
 

The time allocated for running scripts has expired

Hey,

Not sure exactly what happened, but it looks like MewBot messed up the last modification of the time article. Nearly everything after the Hyponyms shows a message "The time allocated for running scripts has expired". It seems like things were working before the MewBot's modification.

Is it an issue with the bot or a consequence from the previous state?

Thanks.

Freayd (talk)14:04, 14 April 2017

The bot just added lang= to the templates.

CodeCat14:10, 14 April 2017
 

Balkanite page changes reverted

Why have you reverted my changes on the page? Is it a text format issue what's wrong because the content is correct.

Stariradeff (talk)23:12, 3 April 2017

There isn't even any content. What on earth does "Founder" mean?

CodeCat23:13, 3 April 2017

The founder of the mineral off course. This is an extra information I can add to this article to made it more complete.

Stariradeff (talk)23:20, 3 April 2017

How on earth do you "found" a mineral? And where in WT:EL does it say anything about a "Founder" header anyway?

CodeCat23:21, 3 April 2017
 
 
 
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Last edit: 13:53, 3 April 2017

Hello, I hope you are doing well today, if you have time, can you please check the edits of this editor when you have time, especially their older edits on Limburgish terms. They have still not been formatted correctly yet. I did a few for you already, don't worry ;-)

maybe add a few categories and topics to their Limburgish!

 

{{m|gem-pro|*finþaną}}

I was wondering why this hasn't undergone the North Sea Germanic spirant thing. Philippa told me that: De grammatische wisseling, die normaal gesproken alleen plaatsvond in de derde en vierde stamvorm, is in het West-Germaans ook doorgedrongen tot de eerste twee. I suppose she means that -d- was generalized in West Germanic. How could that be added to the entry? As a usage note? Or in the first line under "Descendants"? (I've seen notes squeezed in there.)

Kolmiel (talk)02:02, 31 March 2017

You could make a note, I suppose. Are there any comparable verbs with -nþ- that do have the spirant law?

CodeCat12:18, 31 March 2017

Maybe not. I don't know. But at least in the two perfectly analogous *bindaną, *windaną the -d- was original. Maybe *finþaną was changed by analogy with these two?

Kolmiel (talk)14:17, 31 March 2017

I've added it. What I hadn't noticed before is that there's apparently an attestion for Old Saxon fīthan alongide normal Old Saxon findan, but no such form seems to be attested in any other language. And one never knows if it actually exists or if it's just copied from dictionary to dictionary. But all right, I said the effects were "widely hindered".

Kolmiel (talk)02:05, 1 April 2017
 
 
 

Entry 'abgedichtet'

Hi CodeCat.

When creating the entry abgedichtet I forgot to add the participle section.

However, instead of adding the participle you deleted that section by replacing it with the participle. (abgedichtet: difference between revisions)

I don't know what was wrong with my entry. For example, the entry of the German participle/adjective aufgeregt is showing the same pattern as my entry did.

I simply don't understand what's the difference between aufgeregt and abgedichtet from a grammatical point of view. Both are participles used as an adjective.

So my question to you is: What was wrong with my entry?

91.61.119.9314:30, 30 March 2017

The question I would ask is whether the participle has a different meaning from the adjective. I don't think it does; "sealed" is the past participle of "seal". So there's no need for a separate adjective section.

CodeCat15:33, 30 March 2017
 

You are breaking everything. Stop it and be more careful.

Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds00:02, 25 March 2017

I'm very sorry. I've been in panic mode trying to fix it for the last 15 minutes. I think I have it now.

CodeCat00:16, 25 March 2017

If you're not sure whether something will cause pretty much every headword to break, you should post your proposed changes in the GP first so another pair of eyes can go over it first. It's slower, but it's far better for the dictionary (and, by the way, for everyone's trust in you).

Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds01:33, 25 March 2017

I was sure. It broke anyway.

CodeCat01:33, 25 March 2017

So let me be clearer: if you can't trust your sureness about whether things will break, as appears to be the case, you need to ask someone else to take a look.

Also, why is there still a module error on pages like dodekafonia?

Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds21:05, 25 March 2017

I don't see an error.

CodeCat21:17, 25 March 2017
 
 
 
 
 

Need advice on Modern Germanic

Hi,

This is the first time I've really posted anything on Wiktionary, I mostly just lurk (although I do want to improve the Proto-Germanic entries!) around, but I stumbled upon your Modern Germanic page, and having a huge interest in Indo-European languages, particularly Proto-Germanic, as well as experience and even gem-pro-1 fluency (I know some basic words), I made several modern words. However, I do want to ask you a question, and that is if I could possibly, instead of making calques and borrowings, I could trace back PIE roots and make a fictional PGmc word?

Also, I notice in things like Greek and Sanskrit that their predecessor proto-languages don't have entries. Could I reconstruct the word in said proto-language from PIE via. sound laws on Wikipedia and make a new page if I post words with descendants, or do I have to take a reconstructed word from a book and post a source?

Þek þankō,

Secondhand Work (talk)14:01, 6 March 2017

You don't need to take it from a book, but it does still need to stand up to scrutiny. That means you need a good knowledge of the sound laws involved. You can ask if in doubt.

CodeCat15:21, 6 March 2017

Thanks. I'll start contributing when I get home, and I plan to heavily expand Proto-Indo-Iranian and Proto-Hellenic, as well as fix Proto-Germanic red links.

Also, can anyone create templates like pro-gem 4, or can only people like admins edit them?

Secondhand Work (talk)16:57, 6 March 2017

I think anyone can create them, but nobody has level 4 proficiency in Proto-Germanic, so it's pointless to have it.

CodeCat17:00, 6 March 2017

I would still like to create it. I feel someone could be level 4 eventually. I also feel like there are enough words that, if you took effort to memorize it all, to have level 4 proficiency in it, at least with the vocabulary that you would find in 300 AD (The date Wikipedia says PG started breaking up).

Besides, I think this is more of an 'everything must be blue even though this is extremely illogical and pointless to have!' reason for me, to fulfill my desire of fixing red links. Would it be directly against the rules to create Level 0 and Level 4 templates and Native templates for these languages or would it simply be pointless?

Thanks again,

Secondhand Work (talk)19:16, 24 March 2017

If you created it, I'd nominate it for deletion.

CodeCat19:26, 24 March 2017
 
 
 
 
 

Etymology of "Xhosa"

Hi CodeCat! There was an original etymology of the word "Xhosa", that you've replaced. But I want you to somehow restore it somewhere. It said that it was from a San word for "fierce" or "angry"

Ok.

CodeCat13:39, 24 March 2017
 

circumfic/confix

Hi CodeCat. Thanks for your hint regarding circumfic/confix.

Your comment indicates you don't consider the terms circumfic and confix as synonyms.

Wiktionary says confix, circumfix, and ambifix are synonymous terms and wikipedia is telling me the same.

But I'm not a linguist, and there might be some sort of difference in meaning between both terms, so it would be helpful to me if you could explain in more details what you think is the difference between both terms. Thanks in advance. 91.61.96.154

91.61.96.15415:55, 19 March 2017

What matters here is the name of the template. {{confix}} and {{circumfix}} do different things. If the names both refer to the same thing, then I agree that {{confix}} is badly named, but I guess that's just how it is for the moment. {{circumfix}} is the one that actually works the way you intended.

CodeCat16:48, 19 March 2017

Thanks a lot. Now I understand what you meant. And you were right. The circumfix template clearly is the better choice.

Contrary to English, you won't find a word in German merely consisting of a prefix and a suffix alone (at least I haven't found any true example by now). You can always track down some kind of base (Grundwort),

For example, the suffix -artig is itself a compound of Art + -ig. And at times you can see users struggling with that: eigenartig, abartig.

So I definitely think, circumfix is the better template here, because it is explicitly pointing to a base.

91.61.96.15419:28, 19 March 2017

The main case where {{confix}} is used with no base, as far as I know, is for Latin and Greek-derived words like aquaphobia. However, I really doubt whether the two parts of that word can really be properly called affixes.

CodeCat19:30, 19 March 2017

The noun aquaphobia is a fine example. It is in my opinion a compound noun consisting of a head and a modifier. Here, phobia is the head while aqua merely modifies the head.

The concept of decompounding a word into a prefix and a suffix doesn't make much sence to me, since you always have a starting point, a base. And the starting point (or head) in this case is phobia not aqua.

But for the German terms this concept doesn't apply anyway. "Wasserangst" is a compound and "Aquaphobie" is considered a borrowed word with Latin and Greek roots, so no need here to decompound into a prefix and a suffix.

91.61.96.15420:28, 19 March 2017
 
 
 
 

Requests on News talk

Regarding [1], meta:Grants:Project/Intelligibility transcriptions#Community notification points to Wiktionary talk:News for editors#Please comment on adding pronunciation assessment in addition to the earlier and now longer Grease pit link. I wanted to put it on the News page, but the suggestion there said to use the talk page or Information desk instead. Would you please make it a full news item?

James Salsman (talk)00:27, 15 March 2017

I'm not able to. But the talk page doesn't seem like the appropriate place either, especially when it's already on the Grease Pit.

CodeCat00:35, 15 March 2017

Who do I ask for News item approval? The Grants team asks for wide review.

James Salsman (talk)01:12, 15 March 2017

I don't know, really. A sysop I suppose. There doesn't seem to be a process for it.

CodeCat01:49, 15 March 2017

Do you mind if I put the News_talk thread back to ask?

James Salsman (talk)05:38, 15 March 2017

It probably won't be noticed.

CodeCat19:27, 15 March 2017
 
 
 
 
 

What is the difference between T:etymtree and T:desctree? Thank you.

kc_kennylau (talk)12:04, 4 March 2017

Never mind; I figured it out. The former has a central data page, while the latter is for transclusion.

kc_kennylau (talk)12:11, 4 March 2017

{{etymtree}} is old and should no longer be used, {{desctree}} is its replacement. The latter is meant to avoid the deficiency of {{etymtree}} that a separate page has to be created and maintained, which causes problems for people wishing to keep watch of changes to descendants.

CodeCat15:40, 4 March 2017
 
 
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