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gracht112:42, 21 January 2017
Place names011:23, 21 January 2017
short-tailed parrot204:10, 21 January 2017
"Wiktionary is hard"020:29, 19 January 2017
Weimar Etymology121:03, 18 January 2017
"Proto-Germanic had no ā"623:09, 11 January 2017
PIE ending112:24, 7 January 2017
Pages with graphs113:44, 6 January 2017
Reverted etymologies1501:27, 6 January 2017
Thank YOU!117:51, 31 December 2016
stambuk is a polit pov warrior323:16, 30 December 2016
Template nl-IPA404:51, 29 December 2016
principal part, or cardinal link to LA301:54, 29 December 2016
Irish619:17, 25 December 2016
PGmc combining forms for strong feminine nouns416:47, 24 December 2016
Proto-Tupian117:35, 23 December 2016
Catalan reflexive verbs516:16, 23 December 2016
Module:category tree – Demonyms not shown on Lists of Topics119:42, 20 December 2016
Kamba Nouns211:34, 16 December 2016
Regex code101:09, 13 December 2016
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Hi, I noticed you added an additional noun section to gracht for the neuter headword. Should second headword lines with the same etymology be put in their own section as much as possible?

Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)10:53, 21 January 2017

Yes, though I would rather find a way to just have one headword per etymology.

CodeCat12:42, 21 January 2017
 

Place names

I hope you don't mind me messaging you to say that voting is open on Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2017-01/Policy on place names.

John Cross (talk)11:23, 21 January 2017

I am trying to add the translations from the article name in various-language Wikipedia articles. I mixed up Swedish and Dutch. Sorry about that!

bd2412 T20:24, 20 January 2017

I noticed you wrote some with capital letters too. Also a mistake?

CodeCat21:07, 20 January 2017

Those were the ones that were spelled with capital letters in the body text of their Wikipedia articles. I assume that this merely reflects that some languages capitalize the formal names of species.

bd2412 T04:10, 21 January 2017
 
 

"Wiktionary is hard"

Yeah, when people like you keep adding needless layers of markup complexity!

Equinox 20:29, 19 January 2017

Weimar Etymology

I was trying to add the etymology Weimar that is listed on the wiki page:"High German wīh- (holy) and -mari (standing water, swamp)." Why was this reverted?

2601:801:1:545:DCBA:8D7C:763C:61F020:49, 18 January 2017

Firstly, you listed Proto-Germanic words, but the name obviously did not exist yet in Proto-Germanic. Secondly, there is no such word as "mari". There are māri(known, famous) and māri(tale, message), but those have nothing to do with this name. Thirdly, even Wikipedia itself gives multiple explanations. The actual attested form is Wīmari, so that is what should be in the etymology.

CodeCat21:03, 18 January 2017
 

"Proto-Germanic had no ā"

Saw this revert and wondered what you meant by that, as quite some of our entries have ā in them, like *-ārijaz? Probably missing something here but (especially considering that the IP's edit was well-sourced!) I do wonder what you meant. — Kleio (t · c) 21:06, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Kleio (t · c)21:06, 11 January 2017

Proto-Germanic ā is a very late development, and occurs only in a handful of cases. The change of post-PIE ā to ō is well established.

CodeCat21:08, 11 January 2017

But if that's an accepted development, why would an apparently respectable linguist (from a quick google of the author of the source provided) still make that claim? As a matter of fact, the source states that this is "generally believed" to be a "migratory term", which would thus have been able to be borrowed from an Indo-Iranian language (unlike what the IP's edit suggested, Bandle does not claim it is a direct borrowing from "Old Iranian", by the way, just that it is of Indo-Iranian origin). I have no idea what Bandle bases his conclusion on, but given his aforementioned apparent reliability as a linguist and his reference to the existence of a scholarly dispute on the matter (he explicitly mentions *mēkijaz as well, saying that that reconstruction has "long been disputed"), perhaps it at least merits a mention on the entry.

Kleio (t · c)21:19, 11 January 2017

I don't see why it would merit a mention if it violates a well-established sound law of Proto-Germanic. It would be similar to ignoring Grimm's law. If we are going to include various proposals in the entry, we should at least filter out the ones that are implausible from the outset. If you really want to discuss this more, I suggest WT:ES as I don't really have more to add.

CodeCat21:34, 11 January 2017

Ok so I checked the source more attentively and I think the anon who edited the entry may have misunderstood the author's position, with me following their error: Bandle claims that the prehistory (not the reconstruction) of *mēkijaz is disputed, and that the "Ancient Nordic" (Proto-Norse, I suppose) form would be *mākijaz -- which is also more in line with sound changes as I understand them.

The claim about an Indo-Iranian origin is for the PGmc. *mēkijaz, then: apparently it would be be a migratory term ultimately from Old Iranian maδyaka or some closely related form, meaning "something attached to the middle/belt" which would be etymologically related to *médʰyos. Would you agree with the addition of that theory to the entry?

Either way, this just goes to show that I shouldn't try to etymologize too much on three hours of sleep, sorry about the misunderstanding!

Kleio (t · c)22:56, 11 January 2017

It still seems a bit far-fetched. Why was it not borrowed as *madjakaz instead? Why was the word transformed in such a major way? Also, *hanapiz suggests that Iranian borrowings occurred before Grimm's law, so you'd expect *madjahaz or *madjagaz, or perhaps even *matjahaz or *matjagaz. None of those resemble the actual word.

CodeCat23:04, 11 January 2017
 
 
 
 
 

PIE ending

Hello, I'm new here and I've been wondering why are there no entries for PIE endings. Only suffixes.

Korh2wos (talk)03:18, 7 January 2017

Nobody got around to them I suppose.

CodeCat12:24, 7 January 2017
 

Pages with graphs

Hi. The category Category:Pages with graphs doesn't exist and {{auto cat}} generates errors if I use it. Any ideas?

SemperBlotto (talk)07:47, 6 January 2017

I don't know what that category is even for. I've never seen it before.

CodeCat13:44, 6 January 2017
 

Reverted etymologies

You reverted my etymologies, all of which I got from the Algu database, which is maintained by KOTUS, the governmental linguistic research institute of Finland. Is there a reason to think this source is untrustworthy?

Vuori1243 (talk)21:22, 5 January 2017

Most of the Germanic reconstructions you added look very weird, such as the strange letter χ you used, or the - at the end of verbs.

CodeCat21:23, 5 January 2017

That doesn't really answer my guestion. I took them directly from the site I mentioned.

Or is this a matter of different spelling conventions? Would the KOTUS χalōn- be written as halōn in Wiktonary?

Vuori1243 (talk)21:35, 5 January 2017

I don't know, what is it supposed to mean?

CodeCat21:36, 5 January 2017

Algu mostly only lists etymologies. If you want a meaning, they have Koivulehto, Jorma 1974: Lisiä germaanis-suomalaisiin lainakosketuksiin listed as a source for χalōn-.

It also says that the word became haljōn in Proto-Scandinavian, according to Kylstra, Hahmo et al. 1991: Lexikon der älteren germanischen Lehnwörter in den ostseefinnischen Sprachen

Vuori1243 (talk)22:00, 5 January 2017

I'm going to guess that it's *halōną. But I don't quite see how the meaning went from the Germanic meaning to the Finnish one.

CodeCat22:02, 5 January 2017
 
 
 
 
 

Thank YOU!

I should thank you, CodeCat, for your additions to the West Flemish entries I created. I'm quite inexperienced in editing Wikipedia/Wiktionary, so any help is always welcome!

Taavivuoren (talk)17:46, 31 December 2016

I would recommend not to create too many templates like {{vls-con}} for the time being. You can achieve most if not all of what you need with just {{head|vls|...}}.

CodeCat17:51, 31 December 2016
 

stambuk is a polit pov warrior

sorry, but stambuk is a poltical pov warrior. the so called "sh" is a policical language. --Croq (talk) 23:09, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Croq (talk)23:09, 30 December 2016

Take your politics elsewhere. This is a dictionary.

CodeCat23:10, 30 December 2016

tell this to stambuk, not to me!!-- Croq (talk) 23:15, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Croq (talk)23:15, 30 December 2016

Why? You're the one who is bringing up politics.

CodeCat23:16, 30 December 2016
 
 
 

Template nl-IPA

Hi CodeCat, Do you think creating {{nl-IPA}} would be good?

AWESOME meeos * (「欺负」我10:21, 28 December 2016

Dutch pronunciation is not predictable easily enough from the spelling. There's many foreign words with foreign spellings, sometimes even with foreign phonemes, and stress can't be predicted from the spelling either.

CodeCat14:56, 28 December 2016

Respellings can be done. And stress can be specified, as well.

AWESOME meeos * (「欺负」我17:18, 28 December 2016

Or someone could just start out with IPA, and save the trouble. Having a template that requires special care and feeding is just asking for people unfamiliar with it to misuse it.

Chuck Entz (talk)04:51, 29 December 2016
 
 
 

principal part, or cardinal link to LA

Should we link to pudeo like in pudendus or to pudet like in pudendum/pudor/pudency?

Sobreira ►〓 (parlez)14:22, 27 December 2016

We shouldn't have both pudeo and pudet as lemma forms. They should be merged.

CodeCat14:51, 27 December 2016

Maybe link to the first person forms for the sake of consistency, but with some notes there explaining that it is not how the verb was used in Classical Latin, and mention the usual impersonal construction? By the way, the same goes for taedeo, pigeo, paeniteo, misereo (miseret has a full-blown entry).

Barytonesis (talk)18:46, 27 December 2016

Oh, I wasn't going that far, just to know the correct form to link that we use here and correct (later we can deprecate; notice that all of them can further link to PIE *paw-). And see the links of miserere.

Sobreira ►〓 (parlez)01:53, 29 December 2016
 
 
 

Hello, terribly sorry to bother you. I was looking at some Gaelic words and saw that you had edited some of them, and remembered you from the Germanic entries. I was curious about the language called "Primitive Irish", which seems to have a dearth of inscriptions. I was wondering if you could tell me more about it as it seems interesting and what's more related to Common Celtic. I have often seen Celtic cognates on Germanic and Scandinavian entries and thought checking out the ancestor of Irish could be interesting.

ÞunoresWrǣþþe (talk)21:30, 15 December 2016

I'm not sure what I could tell you beyond what Wikipedia says.

CodeCat22:07, 15 December 2016

They don't mention any concrete sound changes or phonological changes. For example, it seems the suffix on some words was shortened going from Common Celtic/Proto Celtic to Primitive Irish (kattus to cattu), something which doesn't seem to have happened in Common Brittonic from the same period.

ÞunoresWrǣþþe (talk)15:54, 17 December 2016

The -s was definitely still preserved in Primitive Irish at least in the early period, and it lingered on in Old Irish in the form of initial aspiration.

CodeCat16:03, 17 December 2016

I see, thank you very much. If I may ask another question, is that why we find both "maqqas" and "maqqa" and then "maqq" attested?

ÞunoresWrǣþþe (talk)16:35, 17 December 2016

I don't know. Are they all nominative singular?

CodeCat18:24, 17 December 2016
 
 
 
 
 

PGmc combining forms for strong feminine nouns

Hi CodeCat ! Just a quick question regarding how strong fem nouns create derived terms. If *lubō were to add the suffix *-līkaz, would the resulting word be *lubōlīkaz or *lubalīkaz ? I have seen it done both ways.

Leasnam (talk)16:41, 24 December 2016

I don't really know. From a PIE perspective, the former would be expected, but that doesn't mean much for PG necessarily. Gothic has -a-, the same vowel as for a-stems, but since ō-stems have -a in the nominative singular anyway, it's probably analogical.

CodeCat16:42, 24 December 2016

Hrrm, okay. If you were to settle on a consistent method to use, which would seem the better to you ?

Leasnam (talk)16:45, 24 December 2016

Go with ō I guess?

CodeCat16:46, 24 December 2016

Works for me ! Thanks :)

Leasnam (talk)16:47, 24 December 2016
 
 
 
 

Proto-Tupian

Hello, CodeCat! I saw you around here on Wiktionary, and I wanted to ask you for help to add Proto-Tupian to Wiktionary. As I'm new to this, I'm asking you for help, as I read in the Adding languages page... "If you are not sure how to do this, ask an administrator for assistance." ..
I would really appreciate it if you could help me because I have a lot of reconstructions to add to Wiktionary. Best of luck!

Guillermo2149 (talk)17:22, 23 December 2016

You should probably bring it up on the Beer Parlour first.

CodeCat17:35, 23 December 2016
 

Catalan reflexive verbs

Didn't we used to have conjugation tables for these? Or at least a parameter to make them reflexive? While I'm here, I wonder if you would help with past participles in irregular conjugation tables. For example I can't get ocórrer or néixer to work.

Ultimateria (talk)15:14, 23 December 2016

The practice for Catalan is to treat the reflexive verbs as reflexive senses of the plain verbs. Same as in Dutch. That way, no separate conjugation tables for reflexive verbs are needed.

CodeCat15:17, 23 December 2016

That may be but don't you consider the reflexive conjugation to be useful information?

Ultimateria (talk)15:24, 23 December 2016

Not really, it's just like "wash myself". It's SOP. I'd consider it superfluous for the same reason that we exclude entries in Latin for words with the suffix -que.

CodeCat15:31, 23 December 2016

I'm not talking about creating pages though, just including conjugation tables as reference for people who don't know the (many) rules for applying these pronouns. Just the other day I learned to change es to se before verbs starting with /s/. It would have been helpful to me if we had had the tables, because this is the first place I come for conjugations.

Ultimateria (talk)15:46, 23 December 2016

If we have reflexive conjugations, then we would have to have them for every transitive verb.

CodeCat16:16, 23 December 2016
 
 
 
 
 

Module:category tree – Demonyms not shown on Lists of Topics

Hi, judging by Module:category tree histories you seem to do a lot of editing in this area. I noticed that demonyms (like for instance Category:en:Demonyms) do not appear on the Lists of Topics (like Category:en:List of topics). Maybe there is a reason for that and it's supposed to be that way, but maybe it's some glitch. If the latter holds true, could you correct it, or pass this on to someone to can? Thanks,

JaS (talk)18:54, 20 December 2016

It's in Category:en:List of sets.

CodeCat19:42, 20 December 2016
 

Kamba Nouns

Hey CodeCat! It's me, Khu'hamgaba Kitap, and I have a question to ask of you. You don't have to do this. Though, my coding skills aren't nearly as good as yours are. It would be absolutely great if you maybe could create a template that would create noun classes automatically in Kamba. You were the first person I thought of that I could ask (,but if you aren't up for something like this, please relay this message to someone that you know that would be). Just send me a message if you have any questions about this, just leave me a message on my talk page. In the template, could you include the ability to add tones onto the header for the word (the page for chifuwa is a great example of this). It would be a great help. Thanks!

Links:
- https://hdl.handle.net/2027/ien.35556023396658?urlappend=%3Bseq=17 (a guide to the inflections)
Khu'hamgaba Kitap (talk)00:41, 16 December 2016

I would recommend starting with the Chichewa template, and copying its code to a Kamba equivalent, then adapting the code to suit Kamba. Are you able to do that?

CodeCat00:53, 16 December 2016

Well, I'll give it a go!

Khu'hamgaba Kitap (talk)11:34, 16 December 2016
 
 
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