Talk:legitimate rape

Created entry for legitimate rape

Created entry for legitimate rape. With 3 citations to newsgroups on Usenet, 3 citations to news articles, and 1 citation to a book with ISBN number provided. -- Cirt (talk) 15:36, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

I have speedy deleted it. If you want to contest this, please create a new section at WT:RFDE. My reasoning: this is not a term with a lexical meaning. It was used as a non-idiomatic sum of its parts by Todd Akin, and subsequently by people invoking or mocking his statement. Furthermore, the quotations on the citations page are insufficient to support the existence of the entry even if it were idiomatic, because most fail the independence criterion (they are explicitly quoting Akin, and some even use quotation marks). —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 23:53, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

@MetaknowledgeThank you for your helpful and kind explanation! And thank you for retaining this page and the citations page, where further research may occur in the future! -- Cirt (talk) 00:47, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

RFD discussion: December 2022–May 2023

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Undelete legitimate rape

This was somewhat surprisingly speedy deleted but if we look at Citations:legitimate rape then the two 2012 citations and the 2015 citation are independent as only one of them mentions Todd Aikin, so I propose we restore the article on that basis. --Overlordnat1 (talk) 00:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

I feel like the discussion would probably have to centre on whether the term has a non-SOP meaning rather than the independence of the citations. If the gloss is just "a genuine, legitimate act of rape" like the Citations page has it then it's presumably SOP and the fact a politician once used the term doesn't seem like it's lexically significant. Incidentally I would probably remove the 2016 one there since it looks like it's "legitimate (rape victim)" and not "(legitimate rape) victim". —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 01:04, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Unless there are some cites provided which show that this isn't SOP I don't think we should undelete. The "term" was notable because it was patently offensive (in what scenario is rape "legitimate", or "illegitimate" for that matter) in addition to the offensive context (if a woman is actually raped her body will magically reject a pregnancy, so no women who become pregnant as a result of rape have actually been raped). Really it is just SOP in the manner it was initially used. - TheDaveRoss 19:39, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

It was considered notable enouh to be named the American Dialect Society's most outrageous word of the year in 2012 [1]. I agree it's borderline but its probably no more SOP than regret rape, the phrase uses sense 3 of legitimate (genuine) rather than sense 1 (legal) after all. Of course rape is never legal but the very fact of it's illegality may perhaps lead to confusion in the minds of some people who hear the phrase. --Overlordnat1 (talk) 02:15, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Al-Muqanna and Dave, I'm not seeing a basis for undeletion at this time, as it looks SOP. One might say it's not a legitimate dictionary entry, or at least people have legitimate arguments that it's not something a legitimate dictionary would include as a legitimate lexeme. - -sche (discuss) 22:07, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Keep it deleted. Legitimate definition 3, "authentic, real, genuine", covers it. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:36, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Keep deleted. Ultimateria (talk) 20:20, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

• Stays deleted. - TheDaveRoss 12:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)