Block needed


Hi there. Since you seem to be around I was wondering if you could block this account as a spam account and revdel the edit summary for this edit as well. Thanks, Hiàn (talk) 00:23, 31 January 2019 (UTC)Reply

Blocked, thanks for the heads up. Ultimateria (talk) 00:26, 31 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Much appreciated. Hiàn (talk) 00:28, 31 January 2019 (UTC)Reply



Do you think this should be, "able to be made literate" or something like that? DTLHS (talk) 01:31, 1 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, I would agree with that translation, especially given how it's used in that cite. Ultimateria (talk) 07:44, 1 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Help with Spanish translations?


@Froaringus, Sobreira, Vivaelcelta, Tanisds: Hello, you wonderful Spanish speakers. As you know, our Spanish entries are numerous but they tend to be neglected. Citations are a huge improvement to any entry, but I hesitate to translate them when a word is ambiguous or I can't find a word's definition. So if any of you are interested in answering my translation questions/doubts, I would really appreciate it. You might have to respond to a lot of messages, because I would like to empty Category:Spanish usage examples with the translation missing someday, and it has a whopping 6000 entries in it. Let me know if you're willing to help me. And of course, you can message me at any time about English. Un saludo, Ultimateria (talk) 23:14, 9 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

No problemo :-) (although probably I'll be rather busy this spring). --Froaringus (talk) 21:19, 10 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
Excellent! I originally asked because Metaknowledge asked me to add cites to tuanis. Here are two of the best ones I found, with my questions, en castellano:
  • 2003, Alexis Murillo Tsijli, Manuel Murillo Tsijli, El ajedrez en Costa Rica, →ISBN, page 171:
    "—Mano, ese deporte si que es tuanis, Ah, pero no hay que descuidarse porque viene un roco de esos que sabe, mueve aquí, mueve allá, y ya está; lo deja a uno tostado. Pero que es tuanis, es tuanis el jueguillo ese."
    "Buddy, that sport sure is cool. Oh, but there's no need to be careless because one of those old men comes and, you know, moves here, moves there, and that's that; he leaves you reeling. But it is cool, that little game is cool.
      • Entiendo más o menos qué quiere decir "tostado", pero no encuentro una definición/traducción concreta. Sé que eres gallego (y dos de los otros usuarios por lo menos) y que se trata de un taxista costarriquense, pero me imagino que lo entiendes mejor que yo.
§ ¡Buf! Gran traducción... Este fin de semana estuve en Madrid y ya me costaba seguir la jerga local, ni te cuento la de Costa Rica, je. Interneteando creo entender que tostado significa algo así como “loco”, con un matiz festivo… Creo que en España podría traducirse como flipado. Así que, no sé, ¿“crazy” + ”astonished”? --Froaringus (talk) 14:47, 11 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
Ah, Madrid, el "estándar" "neutro"... Para mí, "crazy" + "astonished" = "reeling", seguro. Lo he cambiado a "leaves you reeling".
  • 2014 June 24, Yaslin Cabezas, “¿Qué tipo de aficionado es usted? Identifíquese con este video”, in CR Hoy[1]:
    [] Le ganamos a Uruguay, le ganamos a Italia y le empatamos a Inglaterra, cuando nos tocan el orgullo no nos dejamos porque ser tico es una bendición. Si estás orgulloso de la Sele compartilo y que sepan lo tuanis que es ser tico”, dice la nota que acompaña el material.
    " [] We beat Uruguay, we beat Italy and we tied with England; when we are [?ed] by pride, we don't [?], because being Costa Rican is a blessing. If you're proud of the national team, share it and let them know how nice it is to be Costa Rican," says the note accompanying the material.
§ "Asturian cheese/seafood/meat in better than Galician cheese/seafood/meat" es una afirmación que, como gallego, "me toca el orgullo" :-) Tocar el orgullo es algo así como "retar" o "afrontar" (or rather to challenge or to defy when this challenged is understood as some kind of insult, underestimation, understatement; because of historical rivalry, whatever). So maybe "when we are affronted/challenged/defied (because they think were are small?), we don't stay back [?], because being Costa Rican is a blessing." --Froaringus (talk) 14:47, 11 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
"when our pride is wounded" maybe? But that wouldn't really work in other examples I found. Just "when we are challenged" captures a lot of your explanation, so that sounds right. Then for "dejarse", "we don't hold back"? Meaning "we fight that challenge with all our strength". Ultimateria (talk) 18:17, 11 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
I like both! --Froaringus (talk) 07:50, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
@I learned some phrases You're actually right because a lot of the quotes are meh. C'est la vie, a bot picked them from the newspaper. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Speaking of, I like your AV Club cites. Who's your prediction to get the Iron Throne? Ultimateria (talk) 22:36, 18 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, a few writers of the AV Club have immensely rich vocabulary. As for my prediction, the throne itself will be destroyed and there'll be a vacuum of power. --I learned some phrases (talk) 09:35, 19 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
Pretty pleased with getting the predictions right, by the way. If you are looking for some lottery numbers, ask me. If you win, I'll take 1% --Undurbjáni (talk) 21:19, 18 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
I'm very impressed that you predicted the ending. Hmm, was it under the assumption that it would be a good ending? Ah well, in a way it was fun to be one of millions disappointed in the same thing. For what it's worth, I thought Arya would somehow end up on the throne. Ultimateria (talk) 01:00, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
Come to think of it, you should host a competition for adding citations. We have more than enough words, don't we? Ultimateria (talk) 22:40, 18 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
When my current competition has finished, perhaps --I learned some phrases (talk) 09:35, 19 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

Help Checking out an IP


The combination of geolocation, interest in Wicca and addition of redlinked Spanish translations makes this look a lot like Lucifer Wildcat/Gtroy, but looking like it isn't enough to justify doing anything. For that matter, I wouldn't block him unless he was actually making bad edits. Could you look through the Spanish translations and see if they're okay? He always gets some of his guesses right, so it's entirely possible that it's too early to tell- but I thought I would ask, anyway. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 03:30, 31 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

I removed one dubious translation, but the Wicca stuff seems plausible enough to me; the adjectives look correct even if they're not all citeable. They did actually add some correct translations at major senses of common words. Ultimateria (talk) 20:05, 31 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Italian translation of "role model"


You were right and I was wrong. Thanks.Angelucci (talk) 12:04, 30 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the autopatrol!


I just received a notification that I was made an autopatrolled user (which I didn't know existed, but I do now hahaha). I saw it was you who nominated me. Thank you for the trust! I hope I can be of help around here Pablussky (talk) 17:31, 18 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

You're welcome! I think you're a good editor, and I especially appreciate the addition of medical vocabulary. Ultimateria (talk) 18:09, 18 June 2019 (UTC)Reply



Hi @Ultimateria. Would you please block this xwiki lta, indef and revoke TPA and delete my talk page as vandalism? Praxidicae (talk) 17:16, 27 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

The user is globally locked. Ultimateria (talk) 17:19, 27 June 2019 (UTC)Reply
Would you mind ec create protecting my talk page? Or create it and then reapply protection? Thanks! Praxidicae (talk) 17:26, 27 June 2019 (UTC)Reply
The protection still applies and shouldn't be affected by whether it's created or not. To be honest, I don't know how this IP is still editing the page after it's created. Ultimateria (talk) 17:32, 27 June 2019 (UTC)Reply
If you apply protection while it's undeleted and then delete it, it does remove the protection unless you apply creation protection (I hope that makes sense.) Praxidicae (talk) 17:34, 27 June 2019 (UTC)Reply
I am unable to protect against creation, but I've re-protected the page. Ultimateria (talk) 17:38, 27 June 2019 (UTC)Reply



Thanks for the many times you've added or translated Spanish and Catalan quotes. Do you think the sense "four of a kind" of pòquer is citable? ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 07:45, 8 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Of course, and I'm glad to see other users take an interest too! It is citeable; I've added one of many uses. Ultimateria (talk) 21:05, 8 July 2019 (UTC)Reply



Do I need to reach at least 250 mainspace edits to be able to use AutoWikiBrowser on Wiktionary? I really enjoy cleaning up websites. Latisc (talk) 17:34, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

The number specified by WT:AWB is 500. What kind of edits would you use it for? Ultimateria (talk) 17:39, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
I would like to use AWB for adding German and Latin noun forms. Also, is there a Babel template for heritage speakers of a language? Latisc (talk) 17:56, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
That sounds reasonable enough. I don't actually use AWB or really understand how it works, but you should also consider a bot for lots of tedious editing/page creation. Several users already have scripts for German and Latin forms. You can post in the Grease Pit for help with that kind of stuff.
Compared to Wikipedia, we have very few userboxes, so we don't have them for subtle distinctions like heritage speaker. You can write a bio on your page, or you could make your own custom Babel boxes like User:-sche, User:AryamanA, etc. Ultimateria (talk) 18:18, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
@Latisc Sorry, I forgot to mention accelerated links! Check out WT:ACCEL, it's a gadget that I use rather than AWB for creating pages, and it's easy to set up. It turns some red links into green links that auto-generate pages for inflections. I'm not sure how in-depth it is for German forms, but if you want to try it out, you may be interested in Category:German nouns with red links in their declension tables. Ultimateria (talk) 18:50, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
Thank you very much for your help! Latisc (talk) 18:52, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
FWIW, my understanding is that the requirement for a certain number of edits before approval is to make sure would-be AWB users (a) are not vandals and (b) are familiar with en.Wiktionary formatting conventions. Perhaps gadgets like ACCEL can do what you want, but if not, the community might be willing to make an exception to the edit count requirement if you could demonstrate (a) and (b) in another way, like having 500 edits on some other Wikipedia project and showing the formatting you intend to mass-add or mass-create and mass-change with AWB so we can be sure it's OK. Some users run or formerly ran bots to create German inflected forms, btw. - -sche (discuss) 19:27, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

reference to triángulo removed


Just curious, why did you remove my addition by triángulo. Was the translation or the reference wrong?Ineuw (talk) 02:50, 8 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

@Ineuw: The link didn't contain any quotations that supported the sense you added. In any case, you have to include the quote, not just the link. Also, I believe that quotes have to be in the language as the word itself, so English quotes don't belong in Spanish entries. Check out WT:Quotations for formatting guidelines, and our word of the day, sidle, for examples of quotes in use. Ultimateria (talk) 20:52, 8 August 2019 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the explanation which is much appreciated.Ineuw (talk) 21:16, 8 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

Mala gramática


Me estoy alegrando de escribir unas frases de UX para nuestras entradas en español y, aunque siempre intento frasearlas correctamente, estoy bien consciente de que mi gramática es todavía lejos de perfección. Eso puede ser problemático por el hecho de que me gustan las oraciones llenas de detalle y es fácil equivocarme en esta zona. Por tanto, estimaría mucho si, de vez en cuando, podrías ojear mis contribuciones (eeeee) para arreglar cualquier torpeza que he cometido. Espero que no te molestará esto y que no tomará demasiado de tu tiempo. — [ זכריה קהת ] Zack. 01:15, 27 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

@Qehath: Vale, lo más fácil es que pongas una nota en el resumen de edición ("+usex" o also así), así puedo ver solo los ejemplos. Ya me fio de los otros cambios. Tengo consejos y recursos para cualquier duda de gramática o vocabulario, no hay molestia. Ultimateria (talk) 05:04, 27 August 2019 (UTC)Reply
I just went through my recent contribs and re-realized how much random editing I do and how comparatively few of them are usex-related... So even with clear edit summaries, going through there would take more effort than I want to subject anyone to. Por tanto, I'll just add stuff to User:Qehath/es-ux, starting with the ones I've done in the past few days. I think that should make it easier. Thanks for this. :) — [ זכריה קהת ] Zack. 11:14, 27 August 2019 (UTC)Reply
No problem. Added to my watchlist. Ultimateria (talk) 16:18, 27 August 2019 (UTC)Reply
Yay :D I have one or two disputitas on enterar and hablar.
Unless I'm reading DPD[2] and DLE wrong, I still think for enterar, the one with the dad should be "lo enteró". DPD doesn't specify that it's transitive, but has an example that uses a direct object pronoun. DLE doesn't have any examples, but it only lists transitive and pronominal formations.
On hablar using definite articles, I read somewhere (I'll try to find the link) the same thing your edit summary said except for in cases when the language name is modified by adverbs or by prepositions other than the ones you listed. I got the impression that these situations override the use of hablar/entender/etc, but it seems likely that that depends on dialect and register and all that fun stuff. — [ זכריה קהת ] Zack. — 19:22, 27 August 2019 (UTC) [update] Found that article that mentioned articles with language names [3]. The author's bio says he studied Spanish in Guatemala and Ecuador, so that might be a Central/Upper South American thing? — [ זכריה קהת ] Zack. 19:26, 27 August 2019 (UTC)Reply
Uy uy uy. My bad for the edit on enterar. I've been corrupted by rampant leísmo. The hablar issue is interesting; I remember my professor in advanced Spanish grammar telling us not to use the article for languages in the object position, then using it in speech left and right, but I never made the connection between exceptions. (She was Spanish.) It's hard to sift through the beginner Spanish pages to find concrete rules about this situation, but I see enough examples of "hablar bien/mal el inglés" in Google Books from various countries that I've decided to revert my edit. I doubt that it's nonstandard or even dialectal. Lol maybe you need a native speaker to help you instead. Ultimateria (talk) 01:19, 28 August 2019 (UTC)Reply
I don't think I know any natives on here... But I'm madly in love with DPD — [ זכריה קהת ] Zack. 01:22, 28 August 2019 (UTC)Reply
It's an excellent resource and I'm glad you started linking to it. I guess it's been a while for you, huh? User:Froaringus is an active native speaker who has agreed to look over my occasional translations; they may be interested in looking over your example sentences. Ultimateria (talk) 04:53, 28 August 2019 (UTC)Reply
*flash of light* De mil amores echaré un vistazo a esas contribuciones, @Qehath. --Froaringus (talk) 07:38, 28 August 2019 (UTC)Reply
Y mil gracias le devuelvo, @Froaringus :) Tengo que advertirle que me entretienien las palabras pertenecientes a sexualidad y algunas vulgaridades, pues verá de cuando a cuando algunas cosas bastante malsonantes. — [ זכריה קהת ] Zack. 10:38, 28 August 2019 (UTC)Reply
@Ultimateria, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "I guess it's been a while for you." That I've been using DPD? Learning Spanish? — [ זכריה קהת ] Zack. 10:38, 28 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

That you've been around. I figure the user landscape is pretty different besides some crusty old regulars like myself haha -Ultimateria (talk) 15:33, 28 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

Oh, yeah... I think it's like 13 years or something. I'm a nerd. :D — [ זכריה קהת ] Zack. 15:38, 28 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

Community Insights Survey


RMaung (WMF) 14:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Reminder: Community Insights Survey


RMaung (WMF) 19:14, 20 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

A favor


I've been keeping an eye on Theo.phonchana lately. He has a tendency to edit in languages he doesn't know well and to add unnecessary templates that he doesn't understand. I suspect he's the same as the Thai IP that prompted the "-th" tag. Wyang got so fed up with their Chinese and Korean edits that he changed it to block instead of tag. That same IP also got on User:Canonicalization's bad side with bogus verlan entries, and there are overworked patrollers like User:Suzukaze-c who wouldn't be safe in the same room with them...

If he is the same person, he's not as bad as he used to be, but his judgment hasn't improved enough to be trusted. He's been editing lately in Spanish, which is where you come in. I've reverted some edits that misused linguistics terminology, but my 45-year-old high-school Spanish isn't enough to tell when he veers from useful things like cleaning up WF sloppiness into breaking perfectly good entries with shiny toys and bells and whistles. I'd appreciate it if you would take a look. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 04:14, 2 October 2019 (UTC)Reply

@Chuck Entz: I've reviewed all their edits in the languages that I could (someone needs to look at Korean). It's interesting that this user trots out templates that I've never seen but doesn't put the same research into formatting. The edits mostly seem in good faith, but when they added content it seemed very dubious; I had to rfv-sense a new one they added, and reverted a few labels that didn't look attestable. Ultimateria (talk) 16:54, 2 October 2019 (UTC)Reply



The anchor "#English" do not work. The anchor "#Middle English" is the good one. So why this reverted edits ([4]) ? Baleer (talk) 16:32, 8 October 2019 (UTC)Reply

@Baleer: They are alternative forms to an English word, not a Middle English word, even though they do exist in Middle English. It's okay to have red or orange links in an entry because they show us which entries need to be created. Ultimateria (talk) 16:40, 8 October 2019 (UTC)Reply
Maybe it would be fine to make changes on du and thu then, for the links currently do not work properly. Baleer (talk) 16:54, 8 October 2019 (UTC)Reply
@Baleer: Wiktionary is a work in progress, and it's okay to leave some links that "don't work properly". If a user who knows about modern/Middle English pronouns sees these links, they will know to create the English sections on these pages. Our priority to add entries is greater than our priority to avoid broken links, because they can be a helpful tool in our main goal.
Also, when we link to derived terms/related terms/alternative forms, our policy is to link only to the same language. To mention other languages, we use the etymology section, and thou already links to Middle English thu in its etymology. It wouldn't help to link to Middle English du, because the entry there is unrelated to thou. Ultimateria (talk) 17:10, 8 October 2019 (UTC)Reply

s/Georgia vs. c/Georgia


I went through the pages in Category:en:Places in Georgia, USA and corrected all the ones I could find that referred to the country of Georgia. Benwing2 (talk) 06:05, 6 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Awesome, thank you. Ultimateria (talk) 06:07, 6 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Historical places


You seem to be the specialist in {{place}}. How should historical places like Գուգարք (Gugarkʻ) be formatted? --Vahag (talk) 10:00, 12 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

I think it makes the most sense to create Category:Provinces of Greater Armenia. But the only precedent I see for a historical country in Category:Political subdivisions is Category:Provinces of Persia, which has 2 entries between 2 languages. Pinging @Benwing2 for his opinion. Ultimateria (talk) 17:38, 12 February 2020 (UTC)Reply
There's also Category:Provinces of the Roman Empire, Category:Republics of the Soviet Union, and more (plus others that we ought to have cats for, but don't). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:13, 12 February 2020 (UTC)Reply
Where should this be added to make the category functional? If you're interested, there are more of these that ought to be added, like the provinces of Ireland, and some which ought to be fixed (like the "regions"), to be found at Category:Categories with invalid label. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:03, 24 February 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Metaknowledge: Provinces of Greater Armenia? Directly under Political subdivisions I think. To be honest, I'm more interested in implementing straightforward cases of {place} for the sake of consistency than doing research to have all the categories we need. I will say this though about some of these regions: it seems misleading to have official "states of X" and "provinces of X" alongside loosely defined "regions of X", and it's all the more confusing when a country (e.g. France, Italy) uses "region" as an official subdivision. New England is not a region of the US in the same way that Centre-Val de Loire is a region of France. Maybe we should distinguish them as "regions of X" and "regions in X". We already have the structure Category:Regions in Asia. Pinging @Benwing2 again. Ultimateria (talk) 17:20, 24 February 2020 (UTC)Reply
Internally, we do distinguish between official and unofficial divisions; the former get categorized under 'political subdivisions', the latter don't. I'm not sure if it makes sense to distinguish 'in' vs. 'of' as you are imagining; then for example we'd have 'provinces of Iran' vs. 'provinces in Ireland', and the latter sounds strange to me. If we end up with a category like 'provinces of Greater Armenia', I'd rather it not go under 'political subdivisions', as I'd like that category to only reference current political subdivisions. For current political subdivisions, there's a clear test of whether something does or doesn't belong in a given category, whereas e.g. the provinces of the Roman Empire constantly changed over time so it isn't clear what belongs and what doesn't. Benwing2 (talk) 04:57, 25 February 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Benwing2: How would you categorize historical subdivisions? For what it's worth, I haven't been using {place} for dead languages because I feel weird about categories like Category:grc:Cities in Italy. Ultimateria (talk) 05:42, 25 February 2020 (UTC)Reply
I am not sure, maybe we should have a category 'historical political subdivisions'. I understand it's a bit strange to have e.g. Category:la:Cities in Turkey but I can't think of a better solution. Benwing2 (talk) 06:07, 25 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

"Basic Words" cats


I think your confusion stems from earlier votes on specific categories that had numbers in the titles, such as "1000 basic xxx words". Which just shows that you can't just delete 'em and forget- they metastasize... Chuck Entz (talk) 00:28, 17 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

I see. I just looked and I'm glad to see that the category was deleted. I vote to delete so often that I didn't realize it was only 3 months ago o_o Ultimateria (talk) 00:49, 17 February 2020 (UTC)Reply



Could you reformat this entry? DTLHS (talk) 21:29, 20 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

  Done Ultimateria (talk) 06:21, 21 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi, this anon's contributions ought to be looked at. — surjection?18:13, 16 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Surjection: I checked their Portuguese edits for the last month or so, and I didn't have to undo too much. Several users have already cleaned up after them. Ultimateria (talk) 16:40, 17 March 2020 (UTC)Reply



I may never have advertised this to you before... I created this list 3 years ago, and there are still lots of red and orange links! Apparently there isn't much demand for this sort of thing. Anyway, if you're interested, you can consider polishing it off (and if not, no worries). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:26, 17 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Metaknowledge: Sure, I'll take a look. What's the source material? Ultimateria (talk) 23:44, 17 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Saramago. And there might be some errors (but hopefully not too much). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:47, 17 March 2020 (UTC)Reply



Hello. About the id tag in the Etymology section: based on the definition on the Treccani vocabulary, what I've marked as the "self" meaning implies "of oneself", while what I've marked as the "automatic" meaning implies "by oneself; by one's own means; automatically". Now, autoconsumption does not mean "to consume oneself", but rather "to consume what one has produced", thus "to consume by one's own means". I think that's closer to the actual meaning. What do you think? – GianWiki (talk) 21:06, 26 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

@GianWiki: I admit I was assuming a different definition of autoconsumption before looking it up. Unfortunately we're the only dictionary with a definition, so I'm just not sure about that example.
I think the two languages don't always align in their interpretation of these senses. For example, autoabbronzante is self-tanner, (self-)tanning lotion/cream (n.) and self-tanning (adj.); your logic may be that it tans skin automatically, without direct intervention (i.e. sunlight). As an English speaker, I think it's a tan that you apply yourself (it's in the name) rather than one applied by the sun. If it has self- in the definition, like autoapprendimento, I don't think "automatic" makes sense. Maybe key is that "automatic" is heavily connoted in English with the result of a mechanism's functioning.
Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean with the gloss auto- ("by oneself"). To me, "by oneself" means without [the help of] other humans. I'm guessing it's parallel to Spanish e.g. "se lava solo"; "solo" generally meaning "alone", but here "it washes itself", or "it's self-washing" when describing a feature. I would gloss autoapprendimento with auto- ("self-") which changes the categorization. In Category:Italian words prefixed with auto- (automatic) I would probably only put machines/devices. Ultimateria (talk) 21:42, 26 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
I think I see your point. Are you suggesting all the words in Category:Italian words prefixed with auto- (automatic) not related to machines/devices be moved in Category:Italian words prefixed with auto- (self)? – GianWiki (talk) 21:50, 26 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
@GianWiki: Exactly. Ultimateria (talk) 22:20, 26 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

T:lang in image subtitles


Why are you removing it? It is used because everything on the web is supposed to have a langcode. The default langcode on English Wiktionary is English so if an HTML element has no langcode for its content it is wrongly assumed by machines to be English if no further data is applied, which could influence language- or country-based searches; so it is not only to format scripts. Fay Freak (talk) 19:56, 27 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Fay Freak: If English Wiktionary is in English, then why do we want our image captions to be results in other-language searches? I'm not really objecting, I'm just curious. Ultimateria (talk) 20:03, 27 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Ultimateria: Because English Wiktionary is more than any other Wiktionary directed to the whole world? But you see there is a technical reason why there are {{lang}} wraps; so the question stands, why do you remove them, if editors find find their time not too precious to add them? Fay Freak (talk) 23:59, 27 March 2020 (UTC) Fay Freak (talk) 23:59, 27 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Fay Freak: I misunderstood its use. I'll stop removing it. Ultimateria (talk) 03:05, 28 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Block me


Hi there. I've been working way too hard over the last few days. Can you please reward me with some forced time off? Thx in advance --Vitoscots (talk) 19:28, 26 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Damn, I was beaten to the punch. It would have been an honor though. Ultimateria (talk) 20:18, 26 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Guaraní templates


Good evening, I have recently created an account in this website as I use it often but realized there is a considerable deficit of Guaraní lemmas. I am a Guaraní speaker from MG, Brazil and I would like to make the language more accesible to future learners, however I am already of old age and have many problems with technology, so I might have failed to find any pre-formatted tables with which I can describe the conjugation and declension of Guaraní verbs and nouns. Please let me know if there is an available template. So far I have only copied what I have in Old Tupi entries. I also apologize if I have posted this on the wrong place. I thank you in advance, ZakAbdul (talk) 05:02, 5 May 2020 (UTC).Reply

@ZakAbdul: You're in the right place, I'm happy to help. I checked Category:Guaraní templates, and there are no conjugation templates yet. I'm no good with coding, so I suggest you make a post in the Grease Pit asking for help creating conjugation and declension templates. You should describe what the parameters of the templates are (e.g. verb tenses, noun cases), but in the end, it depends on someone being interested enough to help. Ultimateria (talk) 17:25, 5 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

fer el préssec


Today I heard the song Doin' the peach, so I checked fer el préssec :-) I think that "to ridicule" is not accurate. I found it translated as "to be taken for a sucker" but I'm not sure as there may be many idioms. See the entry on ca.wikt. Can you review it? --Vriullop (talk) 07:08, 5 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Vriullop: Before I clicked the link I expected a dance craze from the 50s haha. So the GDLC defines it as "fer el ridícul" which to me means "to make a fool of oneself", i.e. to look foolish (while perhaps being unaware of looking foolish). But if it's like "hacer el primo" as per ca.wikt's translation, that is "to be tricked" or (somewhat dated) "to be taken for a sucker". I *think*, because I don't use that phrase. I guess I don't understand "Fer el ridícul actuant de manera ingènua." Can you explain it in other words? Ultimateria (talk) 18:09, 5 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
It is often used in first person, it is a sense of beeing embarrassed for acting as a naive person, wasting time for not facing the situation properly or for being unaware of the situation. If not in the first person it may be also feeling "vergüenza ajena". In the quotation on ca.wikt, he knows he will "fer el préssec" if he does not haggle for a better price, but he offers a small reduction and he feels that maybe he was "fent el préssec" after all. Another example: "Els vaig explicar la història amb tots els detalls i en acabat em van dir que ja ho sabien; ben bé, vaig fer el préssec." He feels ridiculous, ashamed for wasting time, for assuming the others didn't know the story. Spanish "hacer el primo" or "ser un pringado" is often used as tranlation. It is more derogatory and it doesn't match exactly the sense but it may be close when used in first person or in some context just accidental. --Vriullop (talk) 07:11, 6 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Vriullop: Thank you for clarifying, I've added a new definition here. It's extremely clunky though, so I'm not sure what you should put at the ca.wikt translation table. Ultimateria (talk) 16:30, 6 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Occitan note


Hi, I saw that you work in Occitan by looking at the most recently added Occitan lemmas. I wanted to let you know that the label for Provençal is now only "Provençal" and "Provence" is not an alias. The "Provence" label will make a regional "Provence Occitan" category, rather than "Category:Provençal". Also, would you mind pinging any other editors you know who work in the language so they could see this? Thanks! Julia 22:14, 13 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Julia: Thanks for the heads up. I honestly don't know who else to ping, but I've added the uncreated "Provence Occitan" category to my watchlist. Ultimateria (talk) 23:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)Reply



Why the removal of genders ? —Jerome Potts (talk) 21:16, 25 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Jerome Charles Potts: We have no reason to include adjective forms in translation tables any more than we do noun plurals or verb conjugations; they all belongs at those entries. As for the genders themselves, it's incorrect to consider, e.g. Spanish temerario a "masculine adjective" just because it's the form of an adjective that describes singular masculine nouns. It's simply an adjective. But really my motivation for these edits is to remove clutter. Ultimateria (talk) 21:26, 25 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the welcome


I've mostly just been adding Sino-Korean words that are missing. :) Kungming2 (talk) 18:22, 1 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Kungming2: You're welcome! We appreciate the new entries. Ultimateria (talk) 18:24, 1 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

re: Welcome


Thanks for the welcome! Nadzik (talk) 21:22, 1 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

Inflection etymologies


Hi! Thanks for telling me about this - should I add the pages to categories (like Category:Cornish words suffixed with -s) manually then? Thanks, Gazamp (talk) 18:01, 7 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Gazamp: I think it should be empty, actually. For example, Category:English words suffixed with -s is (supposed to be) only filled with the suffix used lexically, as opposed to cars, windows, etc. See WT:Etymology#Inflected forms. Ultimateria (talk) 18:07, 7 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Ultimateria: OK, thank you! Gazamp (talk) 18:09, 7 June 2020 (UTC)Reply



Hi! I would like to ask you to add my username to the above page. I do not have 500 edits on en.wiktionary, but I am also not a new user. I have experience using AWB and JS Wiki Browser. This tool would help me correcting many of the errors shown here. I know that I will be responsible for all my actions done via these tools and I will do my best not to flood the Special:Recent changes. I am asking for a temporary entry on the list (a week?). After that, I will surrender myself to your judgment. Cheers! Nadzik (talk) 15:36, 10 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Nadzik: Even if you have other wiki experience I think it's a good idea to get 500 edits here first. Many users (myself included) regularly flood the recent changes without too much issue. Ultimateria (talk) 19:53, 17 June 2020 (UTC)Reply



Thank you for the welcome.N.G. Smokingloon (talk) 17:27, 26 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

Categorization and autocat


Thanks for the correction of my categorization of Ojibwe pronoun forms. For some reason, i am often unable to use autocat, and i get an error warning. Sometimes it works just fine. SteveGat (talk) 18:13, 8 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

@SteveGat: Generally categories that multiple languages use are compatible, and the more specific ones are not. I suggest previewing new categories with the autocat template to see if it will work. Prefixes and suffixes work fine, and there's no reason you can't add other categories to them. I added it to Category:Ojibwe words suffixed with -aa so it appears in the suffix category, but it's still in the custom category you added. Ultimateria (talk) 19:06, 9 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

WF audio


Some of these audio files (made under the account Vealhurl) are really bad, e.g. File:LL-Q1860 (eng)-Vealhurl-en passant.wav. Ulti, I saw you were going through audio and getting Benwing to remove them, so I was wondering if you had found enough bad ones by WF that it's worth blacklisting them altogether. @CasiObsoletoΜετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:02, 19 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Metaknowledge: I've only been on the lookout for non-native speakers. I think WF's been adding his own now that no one's importing Lingua Libre files. (I think DerbethBot was the only one? He recently said he's not importing anything that's not formatted [xx-word.wav].) FYI WF's importing account is User:Audioadder68, I just realized. I must have welcomed him to Wiktionary 50 times by now... At least we can ask him to reupload. I don't think they need to all be removed. Ultimateria (talk) 05:06, 19 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
Wonderfool resigned from adding audio (so User:Audioadder68 can be blocked). When doing this audios, if any mistakes occur it was due to technical errors, except one or two where I deliberately made fart noises to see if anyone was checking - sadly, I didn't keep track of the farty files. By the way, I'm still gonna record the songs on my Spanish album one day. I have 3 recordings on my computer already, which sound terrible. I might publish them one day, but not yet as I'm certain that when I do, they'll go viral, and everyone in the world will want to know who the guy singing them is - then someone will recognise my voice and say, "hey, that's [real name]" and my WT life and IRL life will be merged, something that I hope will never happen. --CasiObsoleto (talk) 23:23, 19 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
Send me your Soundcloud when it's done. I almost said Bandcamp but that's not really your style is it. Ultimateria (talk) 23:31, 19 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
That doesn't solve the problem of this shitty audio file, though. Who else records English audio around here, @Koavf maybe? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:46, 20 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Metaknowledge: I'm happy to upload en-US-General American pronunciations. Do you have a list of anything other than en passant (which I promise I know how to pronounce, as I know how to play chess)? —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:50, 20 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Koavf: Not unless you know of more crappy WF files... —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:04, 20 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
I can check. And for what it's worth, I pronounced it something like /ɒ̃ paˈsɑːnt/ which I know that Americans do but other Americans have a more /ɒ̃ ˈpæsɒ̃/ or /ɒ̃ paˈsɑːn/-type opening (I don't really understand IPA, it's "aw pay-saw" or "aw pay-sawn" or "aw pay-sant"). Verified from experience and checking online. —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:46, 20 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
I'll go through his uploads on Commons. It might take a few days. Ultimateria (talk) 16:32, 20 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

Okay @Kriss Barnes I've gone through all your audio uploads and singled out the problematic ones at User:Ultimateria/sandbox. Some are certainly careless pronunciations, but the vast majority are compression errors or something (including a fun one where you sound like Lucifer himself). We could remove them, but the better option is for you to reupload them because they're used on several other Wiktionaries.

P.S. You are one step closer to your nightmare scenario of being spotted in public now that the timber of your voice is burned into my brain ;) Ultimateria (talk) 17:37, 28 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

Wow, that's amazing. You listened to my entire back catalogue! I'll reupload a bunch. --Kriss Barnes (talk) 17:51, 28 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
I've rerecorded a bunch - I checked most of them, but some crap probably oozed through. --Kriss Barnes (talk) 18:35, 28 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, I'll check them later and let you know if any need rerecording. Ultimateria (talk) 18:36, 28 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
Yep, I was hoping you would say that. Meanwhile, [ someone assumed this WF audio was correct and changed the IPA. That's probably something we want not to happen (though it is true that pronunciations change over time - maybe this can be the pron. in newspeak...) --Kriss Barnes (talk) 19:57, 28 July 2020 (UTC)`Reply

Thanks for fixing the Ojibwe verb forms


And for correcting my repeated misspellings of the word from. I've had to make a number of choices regarding the structuring and style of the Ojibwe entries i have made. I tried my best to follow the various guidelines, but they aren't always clear, or definitive, or adapted to Ojibwe. Feel free to point out any other mistakes you might stumble across, and i'll do the work to fix them. SteveGat (talk) 13:36, 28 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

@SteveGat: You're welcome! I agree that our formatting is mainly adapted to Indo-European languages. I also have a comment that might save you some trouble: according to Wiktionary:Etymology#Inflected_forms, etymologies aren't necessary for most inflected forms. Keep up the good work, and don't hesitate to ask me for any formatting guidance. Ultimateria (talk) 16:44, 28 July 2020 (UTC)Reply



U deleted brown recluse spider. What mistakes did I make??? Google translated it incorrectly? Hearingtearry (talk) 05:22, 19 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Hearingtearry: What makes you think that a word written in two different scripts is correct? Besides, you shouldn't create pages based on Google Translate. Ultimateria (talk) 05:27, 19 August 2020 (UTC)Reply



Hey. What do you think about J3133 being an admin? Maybe a nomination from an esteemed member of the community would be worthwhile. --Quotedude56 (talk) 19:25, 26 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

As I don't know of any esteemed members, you'll do. --Quotedude56 (talk) 19:25, 26 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
Aww, I thought I deserved the classic "maybe this is mean" revert. Tbh I don't pay attention to users who edit English only, so I couldn't say if they're deserving. Plus I'm content with the amount of admins we have ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Ultimateria (talk) 19:39, 26 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
I don't think they're ready yet. They have a good attitude, but nowhere near enough experience. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:56, 27 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

Горбачёв - this has an adj declension?


Re diff: Yes, it does. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 23:02, 26 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Atitarev: Just making sure, thanks. Ultimateria (talk) 00:52, 27 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
I understand why it may be confusing. It's formed from a possessive adjective, like all Russian surnames ending in -ов/-ев/-ёв/-ин/-ын. The entries are categorised, so you can look at both Category:Russian possessive adjectives and Category:Russian proper-name adjectives. The difference in the declension from a noun is in the singular instrumental Горбачёвым and most plural forms with -ых, -ым and -ыми. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 01:03, 27 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for your help


I honestly didn't realise I'd added an English quote to a Portugese entry. I must've been tired, because I wouldn't have done it if I'd spotted that. Thank you for correcting that mistake. And thank you for the template! It's a massive help and I'll use it on all the quotations I add from now on. Plus I've read the Wiktionary page on quotations :-) Lucy Ingram (talk) 05:51, 1 September 2020 (UTC)Reply



Why were my edits on gook, Chink and faggot reverted? They are swear words! — This unsigned comment was added by OliverDeBriz (talkcontribs).

@OliverDeBriz: Slurs are a distinct category from swear words. According to Category:English swear words, they "are used to swear, such as to express strong anger or frustration". You don't stub your toe and yell a slur as an interjection; they are invariably directed towards people. Ultimateria (talk) 19:53, 11 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Greek double verbs


@Ultimateria, Hello from Greek section. So many -άω (-áo) verbs with |head. I have seen you that you have erased these heads. These are double verbs, and their format is {el-verb|haed=...άω/[...ώ]|... et}. What are we to do? I am now in the procedure of editing them. We have discussed this format with my administrator, Saltmarsh, because, you see, it is not really an alternative verb. It is the same verb. They are like twins, and always go together. They may have an alternative form. Like κοιτάω/κοιτώ (koitáo/koitó) which does have an alternative: κοιτάζω (koitázo). Ι have only done a few, from thousands... What am I to do... ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 02:25, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Sarri.greek: Hi Ms. Sarri. Can you explain to me how -άω/-ω verbs are different from normal alternative forms? Based on Wiktionary:Forms and spellings, I would consider them alternative forms (not to be confused with synonyms), similar to e.g. English modernize/modernise. I searched for "Greek double verbs" and didn't find anything. They have the same meaning and etymology, even if the pronunciations and conjugations are different. Ultimateria (talk) 02:36, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Ultimateria, sorry, I used the word 'double' to distinguish from other kinds of alternatives. Ιt is not a term. Yes, you could say they alternate in speech. But they belong to the same table. One could add them at the Alternatives Section, but it is not as other 'alternatives' are. Like αγαπάω/-ώ conjugation. Ancient Greek has similar -but of different nature- contracted/uncontracted verbs. ἀγαπάω/ἀγαπῶ
I was hoping that el.wiktionary could allow this style, with |head, because I thought it looks stronger than putting the second form, far away, at a different section, among other alternatives. We have not edited too many. Is it not allowed to use |head? ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 02:48, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Sarri.greek: Our policy doesn't say much about how to handle this. I wouln't say that |head= is "not allowed". The problem is more that it's inconsistent with what we already have. If someone is familiar with English Wiktionary and sees a page with two forms in the headword line, they will probably wonder why the forms are so special that one doesn't belong under an ==Alternative forms=== header, which often includes a label for context. The downside to the header is that the "alternative forms" might be implied to be less important or less correct, so I understand your concern.
Of course you can format how you want at el.wiktionary; maybe your way works better with what you have there, I don't know. Maybe you should wait to create more verbs like this until we hear from @Saltmarsh. Ultimateria (talk) 04:28, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply
Yes, thank you @Ultimateria. I am now looking at Template:el-verb. The name of the parameter |head can be altered e.g. to |pres=. There are only 62 verbs using it. ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 04:30, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Sarri.greek: Using |head to produce o/p "αγαπάω/αγαπώ" seems an excellent way of indicating the forms' intimacy - ignoring the present they share the majority of inflections, whereas the other alternatives do not. I feel that a native speaker must have more of a "feel" for the best way indicating this. — Saltmarsh. 05:04, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Sarri.greek: — Ultimateria: I've just read properly your reply above - I think the whole point of including these alternatives together by using |head is to indicate this intimacy. — Saltmarsh. 05:11, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Saltmarsh: I don't understand this "intimacy", but I'll stop changing these verbs. Ultimateria (talk) 15:58, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

my audio recordings


You've thanked a couple of my edits where I added audio recordings to entries. I appreciate it.

I'm curious if you've listened to a few of them, and how they sound. I'm just an amateur & I would be happy if there are any tips or constructive advice on my recordings. All I do after having a recording I like is cut it down to just the word, and do basic noise reduction in Audacity. = Paul2520 (talk) 21:10, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Paul2520: I don't really have any comments, I think your work is good. That's why I keep thanking you haha --Ultimateria (talk) 21:23, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply
I really appreciate the feedback then! = Paul2520 (talk) 23:56, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Category:English false friends for German speakers


Hi, thanks for your input on the Category I once created. I was not sure, if this was correct, so I am happy about input. You mention "This is much better suited to an appendix. Ultimateria (talk) 18:38, 30 May 2019 (UTC) " what do you mean with "Appendix"? Otherwise, I would sort my category into this super-category: (talk) 07:49, 22 September 2020 (UTC)Reply I think something like Appendix:False friends between Danish and English is the best way to display this information by far, because it requires much less clicking to find out what the false friend means. If you move the info to an appendix, it would certainly belong in the category. Ultimateria (talk) 16:01, 22 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Pronunciation of Sanskrit/Hindi word for "lotus" (kamala)


Native speakers pronounce 'kamalaa' (lotus) with a primary stress on the third syllable (which contains a long a: sound) and a secondary stress on the first syllable. I have included a YouTube link to a native speaker saying this word. The two alternative IPA2 schemes that you insist on are both incorrect. — This unsigned comment was added by (talk).

You're talking about the wrong entry. Kamala isn't a Hindi word, nor a Sanskrit one: it's English. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Gender of surnames


Template {{ca-proper noun}} requires the gender. Place proper nouns have generally a gender, but it is odd for a surname. I have added Casas with mf, but in Spanish is marked feminine as well as Cases. "El Casas" is a male with that name and "la Casas" is a female, there is no implicit gender here. Is there any way to avoid gender in surnames? --Vriullop (talk) 10:10, 19 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Vriullop: There isn't, besides using {{head}} instead. I've generally avoided this issue because I haven't seen many satisfying solutions, but I think marking them with mf is one of the best ones. You say there's "no implicit gender", but a situational gender is still a gender. You may be interested to know that in the past few days, User:Benwing2 has been working on this for Hindi surnames. As an example see हीरानंदानी, which is marked mf, understandably so because the two genders have different declensions. It's categorized into the new Category:Hindi masculine and feminine nouns by sense which could be the solution for surnames in other gendered languages. Ultimateria (talk) 16:16, 19 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Vriullop You can use the gender code mfbysense to indicate that a noun or proper noun can be either masculine or feminine depending on the natural gender or the referent. As Ultimateria indicates, this categorizes into e.g. Category:Catalan masculine and feminine nouns by sense. I think this is the right thing to do for surnames. Benwing2 (talk) 03:57, 20 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
I agree that gender of surnames is important, at least in some languages and can drive how surnames are used (e.g. with adjectives and some other PoS) and declined. Please take a look at the Russian entry Вашингто́н (Vašingtón) (2nd proper noun). As you see, I now separate genders with different headwords per Benwing2's suggestion, which I find the right way to do. (Typical Russian names behave differently and even have different endings, depending on gender). --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 04:09, 20 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

"this is automated"


Yeah, I noticed that after some more editing, but I didn't feel like it was worth the effort to remove the code after I had already typed it in. (I'm referring to this edit summary on gives a shit.) Glades12 (talk) 06:47, 27 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

種子島#Japanese and the matchlock sense


I see that User:ᾨδή added that sense in this edit from September 2019. I think that's you? If so, do you have any further information about this sense for this spelling? I can't confirm it in my monolingual JA dictionaries, nor indeed in online bilingual ones. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 19:18, 1 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Eirikr: No, this is the only account I've used. Ultimateria (talk) 19:21, 1 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
Ah, I guessed based on an over-quick glance at that the other user's Talk page. I see now that what I saw was a borked template, the Welcome one, which apparently you'd added. Ah, well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
(FWIW, I may have found a lead on the etym, so no worries. :) ) ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 19:24, 1 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

WF audios


Hi. 'Twas you who was checking all Wonderfool audios. She's done a big batch since then (including all in the WOTD archive except multiworders), so if you feel like checking them, let her know if there's any crap in there - hopefully there'll only be 5-10% crap. Kilo Lima Mike (talk) 19:50, 24 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Will do, eventually. Ultimateria (talk) 19:25, 25 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Jonely Mash I don't want to check these anymore. There are just too many, and it's such a dull task. My decision wouldn't affect you, but the alternative to having a proofreader (prooflistener?) is potentially having all your files removed. I'm against this option because I think we could use the files, and because I've invested so much time in this already. I'll still listen to everything recorded in 2020 and ping you when I'm done. Ultimateria (talk) 20:09, 2 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
Awesome, thanks Ulti. I rerecorded all of them, except those in "Other". I actually checked them all too, and there were no background dogs this time. Jonely Mash (talk) 10:39, 3 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
Anyway, I'm gonna lay off the audios again for a while - the success rate is just too low Jonely Mash (talk) 10:40, 3 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hide vandalism?


I suggest hiding the revisions you rolled back on ceol because they contain text like "hit me up my insta acc is ..." with a possible account name. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 20:27, 30 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

  Done (I think, it's pretty confusing). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:34, 30 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
One more, Special:Permalink/61430663. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 20:48, 30 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
I didn't realise that one was an IG as well, but now done. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:56, 30 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
You're right, I'll be more vigilant about that. Ultimateria (talk) 21:47, 30 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Wiktionary:Main Page


Hi. I think that in Wiktionary:Main Page we should create a new section for French Wikipedia because it has more 4,000,000 entries and that's four times more than a million. So much difference. My propose is a new section is "4,000,000+ entries: Français (French)". --Vivaelcelta (talk) 01:51, 16 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Vivaelcelta: It is a big difference but I think it would look weird in its own section, especially with such a small million+ section. Ultimateria (talk) 02:34, 16 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Ultimateria:. Okey. --Vivaelcelta (talk) 02:57, 16 January 2021 (UTC)Reply



Thanks. I try to be conservative in not adding templates in case I 1.) make a mistake or 2.) they can't capture all of the info I'm trying to include (the latter was the case in the fix you made). —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:25, 21 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Koavf: No problem. By the way, we tend to use {{m}} rather than {{l}} when linking to individual words in etymologies. Ultimateria (talk) 22:31, 21 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Deleting entry


Hello! I recently started to publish content on wiktionary and am new to it. I recently made an error and created a page with a misspelling. I tried to delete it but I can't, could you help me? The page is called "vosatros", but it should be "vosatEros" (which I created as a correction) but I would like the misspelled one to be deleted if possible. AndreiLmb (talk) 23:07, 5 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

@AndreiLmb: I've deleted the old page. In the future if you need to delete a misspelled page, add the template {{d|reason for deletion}} to it. Ultimateria (talk) 17:38, 6 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Mini Basketball


I added the English version of Mini Basketball to Wikipedia Demons24 (talk) 01:41, 6 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Deletion of tritoperfect


Hi, Ultimateria, please delete the page with the title tritoperfect. The reason why I want you to delete this page is that the term tritoperfect is a protologism, which violates the Wiktionary policy. In your reason of deletion, say "Content was: ________". Please delete the page tritoperfect. ForYouToHelp (talk) 17:47, 25 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Would you please delete the page that is titled tritoperfect for me?, Ultimateria? ForYouToHelp (talk) 17:49, 25 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Why did you create it then ask for it to be deleted? It's been deleted 5 times in the past year. Ultimateria (talk) 17:51, 25 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Because I didn't see that the page has been deleted 5 times. I need you to delete the page with the title tritoperfect immediately.
Ultimateria, I didn't notice the deletion log of the page. Next time I'll be careful for that. But I still need you to delete the page tritoperfect. ForYouToHelp (talk) 17:58, 25 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

ForYouToHelp (talk) 17:54, 25 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Wrong etymology?


Hi, I made an edit on the page 1½ years ago where I corrected the etymology for the Russian word ваза. However, shortly after I did this, you undid my edit? The assertion that said Russian word is borrowed from Romanian is straight up demonstratably wrong, and you left no description whatsoever of your edit, so I just wanted to check with you what your reasoning was? -VladVP (talk) 00:10, 11 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

@VladikVP: I just put the descendants in alphabetical order. The terms marked as borrowings at vas are all borrowed from the Latin; if the Russian were borrowed from the Romanian, it would be indented further like this:
  • Romanian: vas
    • → Russian: ваза (vaza)
I hope that clarifies the issue. Ultimateria (talk) 03:42, 11 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Oh! I'm dumb. If → denoted secondary descendants, clearly it would be wrong for English and icelandic too. I suppose that since the Russian term is a secondary borrowing from French, I should update the notation like you just showed. In any case, thanks for the clarification! -VladVP (talk) 15:29, 11 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

A reply to your message with regard to Goliath

Hello, Ultimateria
I agree with your comment, that the page should be written in a script compliant with the conventions of the category.
So, I'll rewrite it accordingly.
ShlomoKatzav (talk) 09:04, 11 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

With regard to Philistine names

Hello, Ultimateria
I'm writing this message as you were involved in this topic.
I want to create a category Philistine names.
Is it O.K.
ShlomoKatzav (talk) 02:43, 13 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
@ShlomoKatzav: No, please ready my reply to you here. What you are describing sounds more appropriate for the Wikipedia category w:Category:Philistines than for Wiktionary. Ultimateria (talk) 03:53, 13 October 2021 (UTC)Reply


Hi, Ultimateria. I want to thank you for your welcome message and your remarks in my talk page. They have really helped me.--Narunnaia (talk) 19:53, 17 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Linking hyphen


Kyrgyz, Southern Altai languages don't use linking hyphen for their verbs. They have infinitive forms. Please just delete them because we have the correct ones in Wiktionary. And i don't know any language who use linking hyphen for their verbs. They always have an infinitive form. For example you don't say yap- in Turkish but yapmak. Verbs can not be added without last letters. BurakD53 (talk) 16:22, 29 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

@BurakD53: Okay, but the problem still stands that pages with incoming links aren't ready for deletion. Can you correct those for the pages you've nominated? It would also help me if you put the link to the correct page in the deletion reason like you did at ат-. Ultimateria (talk) 19:34, 29 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
I did. I added edit summary for them. BurakD53 (talk) 08:31, 30 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Bot cleanup of Spanish verb forms


I'm curious about your opinion of this bot edit, not only for combining two Verb headings into one, but particularly the change from abanarse -> abanar, which it made because the page for abanarse says it's a form of abanar. For verbs like arrepentirse that use -se for the lemma and -ir as a form, it will link to the -se lemma. Verbs that have a lemma in both spots sentir/sentirse will have two links. JeffDoozan (talk) 22:47, 9 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

@JeffDoozan: I think it's fine to combine the headers; abanar and abanarse aren't different verbs per se. But by the same logic I doubt siéntete needs to link back to sentir and sentirse. After all, the only definition line at sentirse can also be found at sentir... Unfortunately we're still inconsistent about where we lemmatize verbs that are reflexive/can be reflexive/can take se. I would suggest resolving that issue that before tackling these verb forms, but that could be a massive undertaking. Ultimateria (talk) 03:33, 10 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Do you have any suggestions for what that resolution would look like? The easiest/cleanest option would be to move any existing definitions from -se entries to their respective non-se entries (and add labels, as necessary), which would put everything in one place for users to edit and possibly cut down on the number of duplicate or nearly-duplicate definitions currently split between the two locations. Splitting the other direction would be messier because there are >800 verbs with definitions tagged reflexive or pronominal and many entries (eg. tratar) have definitions marked as both transitive and reflexive that would have to be duplicated and re-labeled and eventually diverge when editors change one but not the other.
Of the 373 existing -se lemmas, only 93 have a corresponding non-se entry with a definition tagged as reflexive or pronominal. ~100 have a non-se entry without any reflexive or pronominal, and ~180 have no corresponding non-se lemma. That's way less massive that I first expected, which means I'm probably missing something. Before taking this on, are there any other special considerations should I be conscious of? JeffDoozan (talk) 14:10, 10 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
@JeffDoozan: My suggestion is to follow the RAE's lead (and other Romance dictionaries) and lemmatize at the -ar/-er/-ir form unless it only exists in the -se form, possibly with the exception of verbs whose only non-reflexive sense is obsolete (because even native speakers might only know it as reflexive). Regardless of the lack of consensus on how to treat reflexive verbs, I think you would be justified in merging pages like accidentarse into accidentar. Assuming this needs to be done manually, I could work on it over the next month. Ultimateria (talk) 23:35, 10 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for the guidance, I was able to get through the list pretty quickly over the weekend. I also worked through a short list of verbs that only included reflexive definitions and either added a transitive definition if there was one listed in DRAE or moved them to the corresponding -se lemma, so I think we should be pretty much in line with what you suggested. I have a hunch there may still be a number of verbs with unlabeled definitions that are actually reflexive-only, but I have no good way of identifying them. JeffDoozan (talk) 14:49, 13 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
@JeffDoozan: Great work! I'll let you know if I notice any patterns to find more. Ultimateria (talk) 18:05, 13 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Br00pVain: Yeah, I would format it the way you already have. Ultimateria (talk) 20:19, 12 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
...but there's an intransitive sense. 👀 Ultimateria (talk) 20:20, 12 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
@JeffDoozan: I agree with the format of the three examples you've given. Ultimateria (talk) 03:34, 22 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Block needed


Hi! Can you block this user. Despite all the warnings, he has been adding misspellings for a long time. I'm tired of dealing with him. Thanks. BurakD53 (talk) 15:35, 11 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

How we will see unregistered users



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Bulk delete pages with bad Spanish forms


I've found ~1000 pages that contain nothing more than an incorrect Spanish form. Here's the list: User:JeffDoozan/lists/es_pages_to_delete

I've checked that the pages contain only a pronunciation section (optional), the POS declaration, and the (incorrect) form entries. There's no additional text on the sense lines or Usage Notes or anything mentioning that the form is an alternative spelling or whatever, just the sense (incorrectly) asserting it to be a form of a given lemma. I think it's probably safe to delete these, but I'm posting it here in case you want to verify that the entries are safe to delete and then someone with bot/admin privileges can mass-delete them.

JeffDoozan (talk) 20:24, 24 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

@JeffDoozan: I've taken a look and I'd say they're safe to delete. Thanks for the message. Ultimateria (talk) 00:56, 26 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

A batch of newly-emptied Rhymes:English categories to be deleted


Hello Ultimeria! Thanks so much for helping delete some of those newly-emptied Rhymes:English categories a couple days ago!

There's a whole batch of 97 Rhymes:English categories that were formed incorrectly — e.g. they didn't follow the standard format, or they used a form of narrow transcription that differed from the norm of how Wiktionary labels its English rhyme categories, or (for the vast majority) they used "r" instead of Wiktionary's standard of "ɹ", etc. — that I've recently fixed. Like, for example, I've moved everything that was in Category:Rhymes:English/ɪstə(r)z to Category:Rhymes:English/ɪstə(ɹ)z, etc. (which left the incorrectly-formed "ɪstə(r)z" completely empty and completely unneeded).

Would it be possible to mass-delete this batch of incorrectly-formed Rhymes:English categories that have recently been emptied?:

oːkæb‎, ɔfl‎, ɔəɹ‎, əlp‎, əs‎, ɛlθily‎, ɛntəɡræm‎, ɛɹiː/2 syllables‎, ɛɹʒ/2 syllables‎, ʊlft/2 syllables‎, ʊəɹ/1 syllable‎, ʌkɹeɪkəɹ‎, ɝ‎, ɝdz‎, ɝmz‎, ɝt/1 syllable‎, ɝv‎, ɒktəɡræm‎, ɜ(ɹ)‎, ɜ(ɹ)oʊ‎, ɜɹz‎, ɜːb‎, ɜːdz‎, ɜːfɛkt‎, ɜːl‎, ɜːmz‎, ɜːnt‎, ɜːt‎, ɪbə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪfə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪktʃə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪkə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪldə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪltə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪlvə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪlə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪləz‎, ɪlɚz‎, ɪmpə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪmə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪndə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪnsə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪntə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪntɚ‎, ɪpə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪrə(r)‎, ɪrəl/2 syllables‎, ɪrəs/2 syllables‎, ɪrɪk/2 syllables‎, ɪrɪkəl‎, ɪrɪt/3 syllables‎, ɪshɜɹd/2 syllables‎, ɪskə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪspə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪstə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪstə(r)/3 syllables‎, ɪstə(r)/8 syllables‎, ɪstə(r)z‎, ɪsə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪtə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪtʃə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪvə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪzə(r)z/2 syllables‎, ɪðə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪŋkə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪŋə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪŋə(r)/3 syllables‎, ɪə(r)/1 syllable‎, ɪə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪə(r)/3 syllables‎, ɪə(r)/4 syllables‎, ɪə(r)d/1 syllable‎, ɪə(r)dəʊ/2 syllables‎, ɪə(r)ləs/2 syllables‎, ɪə(r)nəs/2 syllables‎, ɪə(r)z/1 syllable‎, ɪərfʊl/2 syllables‎, ɪəri/2 syllables‎, ɪəriə(r)/6 syllables‎, ɪəriə(ɹ)/4 syllables‎, ɪəriə/4 syllables‎, ɪəriəs/4 syllables‎, ɪəriəs/5 syllables‎, ɪərə/2 syllables‎, ɪərɪŋ/2 syllables‎, ɪərɪŋ/3 syllables‎, ɪərɪən/4 syllables‎, ɪərɪən/5 syllables‎, ɪəs/1 syllable‎, ɪəɹfʊl/2 syllables‎, ɪə̯(ɹ)/1 syllable‎, ɪʃə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪɚ/1 syllable‎, ɪɚ/2 syllables‎, ɪɚs/1 syllable‎, ɪɡə(r)/2 syllables‎, ɪɡə(r)/3 syllables‎.

Thank you so much! Paintspot (talk) 16:10, 2 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Paintspot: I don't have a way to mass-delete them, but I'll just do it manually. For future reference, I check empty categories regularly to delete ones like these. I don't tackle them all at once because I don't want to flood Recent Changes. Ultimateria (talk) 19:33, 2 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
I believe @Benwing2 has a script he uses to get rid of empty categories. For a few years before {{auto cat}} was created I specialized in creating missing categories, so I have thousands of old categories on my watchlist. Every so often I see him deleting a number of them at a time. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:42, 3 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Chuck Entz, Paintspot, Ultimateria This is correct. Categories that use {{auto cat}}, {{poscatboiler}} or {{topic cat}} get added (eventually) to Category:Empty categories when they're empty, and I have a script that goes through this category and deletes the ones that are actually empty. There is a more complete list at Special:UnusedCategories that's refreshed every 3 days, but you have to be careful with that list because some of them are request categories or other categories that shouldn't be deleted even though they're empty. Benwing2 (talk) 07:16, 4 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Chuck Entz, Ultimateria, Benwing2: Ah, got it! Also, one last annoying request (sorry) related to the above deletion — On the off-chance, is there any way that the empty parent categories that housed many of the above ill-formed now-deleted categories (i.e. the ill-formed parent categories which have just become empty with the deletion of their ill-formed SUBcategories) can be deleted? Thank you so much! Paintspot (talk) 04:37, 6 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
ɪbə(r), ɪfə(r), ɪktʃə(r), ɪkə(r), ɪldə(r), ɪltə(r), ɪlvə(r), ɪlə(r), ɪmpə(r), ɪmə(r), ɪndə(r), ɪnsə(r), ɪntə(r), ɪpə(r), ɪrəl, ɪrəs, ɪrɪk, ɪrɪt, ɪskə(r), ɪspə(r), ɪstə(r), ɪsə(r), ɪtə(r), ɪtʃə(r), ɪvə(r), ɪzə(r)z, ɪðə(r), ɪŋkə(r), ɪŋə(r), ɪə(r), ɪə(r)d, ɪə(r)dəʊ, ɪə(r)ləs, ɪə(r)nəs, ɪə(r)z, ɪərfʊl, ɪəri, ɪəriə, ɪəriə(r), ɪəriə(ɹ), ɪəriəs, ɪərə, ɪərɪŋ, ɪərɪən, ɪəɹfʊl, ɪɡə(r), ɪʃə(r).
Based on the discussion above I believe Benwing will eventually take care of them; no need to provide a list. Ultimateria (talk) 04:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Ultimateria, Benwing2:: Thanks! Also, @Fytcha:: thanks for deleting a majority of this batch of empty categories with erroneously-formatted/ill-formed titles! Sorry to be a bother, but is there any way you could possibly delete the last few?
...ɪrəl, ɪrəs, ɪrɪk, ɪrɪt, ɪərfʊl, ɪəri, ɪəriə, ɪəriə(ɹ), ɪəriəs, ɪərə, ɪərɪŋ, and ɪərɪən are all erroneous because they use "r" instead of "ɹ" (and are all now empty, as this error has been fixed on all the pages that had it in their Rhymes template), and ɪəɹfʊl is erroneous because we account for both rhotic and non-rhotic accents by putting any syllable-ending "ɹ" sounds in parentheses (so it's now empty as well, as everything that was in it has now been moved to being in the corrected ɪə(ɹ)fʊl).
Is there any way these last few could be deleted? Thank you so much! Paintspot (talk) 22:44, 10 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Paintspot: I've deleted the rest now too. I wasn't actually aware of this discussion, I just deleted the obviously wrong categories in CAT:EC. Thanks for taking care of this! — Fytcha T | L | C 22:51, 10 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Assyrian Neo-Aramaic ܥܟܒܝܬܐ


Hi, maybe this is a dumb question but for my request of deletion on the page ܥܟܒܝܬܐ (ˁkbitā) for Assyrian Neo-Aramaic that was reverted, I don’t see the reference you said the page has? Shuraya (talk) 19:47, 23 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Shuraya: After the definition there's a button that says [quotations ▼] that expands it. Or on the left toolbar (desktop only) there's an option to "Show quotations". Ultimateria (talk) 20:10, 23 April 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for the reply. I’m not aware of any Old Testament or specifically Isaiah translation of the Bible into Assyrian Neo-Aramaic nor could I find one. For such a vague reference wouldn’t it actually need to be linked? Otherwise it could just be a self-published translation? Shuraya (talk) 21:08, 23 April 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Shuraya: I know nothing about the language, but I'll ping @Antonklroberts (who created the page and added the quote) to comment. Ultimateria (talk) 17:32, 24 April 2022 (UTC)Reply
Alright thanks then Shuraya (talk) 18:38, 24 April 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Shuraya Part of the problem with the original edit was that you used the wrong template: {{d}} is used only when it would be obvious to anyone that the page has to be deleted: vandalism, or nonsense, or lack of usable content. The other use case is where the creator of the page realizes that it was a mistake shortly after they did so.
If you simply think the term doesn't exist, that's better handled by adding {{rfv}} (with the appropriate language code) to the entry and preferably posting an explanation at the correct WT:RFV page. The template makes it easier by providing a link on the "+" that will start a topic on the correct page for you. People will look for evidence that the term exists, and if they can't find it the page will be deleted. I can't tell you how many times I've started an rfv, only to find that what looks like someone made it up as a joke is real and actually used by people. I've also been able to get lots of genuinely nonexistant stuff deleted. Chuck Entz (talk) 20:13, 24 April 2022 (UTC)Reply
I appreciate it, thank you for the help. Shuraya (talk) 01:04, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply
I have no knowledge of the Old Testament specifically the book of Isaiah being published online as opposed to the New Testament and Psalms which are published online. It does exist just the only ones that I know of are physical copies that i presume my grandmother got from church. ܥܟܒܝܬܐ is definitely a word that exists in Assyrian Neo-aramaic specifically the Urmian dialect. The only other word I know is Tyari dialect which say ܙܩܪ ܩܘܕܐ which I listed in the synonyms. Antonklroberts (talk) 02:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply



Hi! What's the problem? Wolfdog (talk) 19:16, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Wolfdog: You presented a minority pronunciation as the only one. I've added the "h" back but in parentheses to show that it's optionally pronounced. Ultimateria (talk) 19:25, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
That's fine. I'm used to Wikipedia, which uses a diaphonemic system in which certain more conservative, traditional, or generalizable features are sometimes represented (to account for, namely, various British and American dialects) and there the use of /hw/ would be the standard. Perhaps Wiktionary operates a bit differently. Wolfdog (talk) 19:38, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
You (and @Wolfdog, for that matter) may not have noticed that the edit was only to the Scots section, and I'm pretty sure the Whine-wine merger never made it into Scots. That said, there's the matter of whether it's really "hw" and not "ʍ", since I notice that other Scots lemmas starting with "wh" use the latter for that sound. I'm also not sure that we should be using {{enPR}} for Scots at all, since it's designed for English. Of course, there are no doubt Scots words treated as English in some of the dictionaries that used that standard. Probably @Mahagaja would have a better idea. Chuck Entz (talk) 20:42, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
I'm definitely opposed to using {{enPR}} for Scots; that template is really intended specifically for General American and works poorly even for RP, let alone Scots. I'm also unsure that /ʍaɪlz/ has the right vowel; I believe according to the Scottish vowel length rule it should be /ʍəilz/. —Mahāgaja · talk 21:09, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Mahagaja: re: {{enPR}} in Scots entries. It was pretty easy to search for. There were only 7, and now they're all gone. Chuck Entz (talk) 22:34, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
And the Scottish National Dictionary says it's /ʍəilz/.Chuck Entz (talk) 22:41, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
I did not catch that it was in the wrong section. Thank you, @Chuck Entz. Ultimateria (talk) 20:36, 28 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Changing the head for "by turns"


Hello, I saw that in a recent edit you changed the head of the entry for by turns so that it links to turns instead of turn. My understanding has been that the usual practice is to link to lemma forms in headwords, in this case turn, in order to ease in users' navigation. Do you generally approach things differently? Also, do you know if a standard one way or the other is codified anywhere? Thanks and take care. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 19:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

@The Editor's Apprentice: Hi, I've generally been avoiding ambiguous cases like this one in favor of cleaning up the most redundant links, where each word in the page name is linked in the way that the head module does automatically. I don't have a strong argument for linking to non-lemma forms rather than the lemma — just a preference to let the automation do its job — so I'll leave those alone in the future. I don't believe any of this is codified anywhere. Ultimateria (talk) 19:56, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Got it, removing redundant, manually entered head links makes a lot of sense. Thanks for your work and kind response. Take care. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 20:18, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

IP Address


Hello, sorry to bother you, I'm not sure if you're the right person to ask. But there have been a few occurrences where I have been signed out (despite checking the "Keep me signed in" button) and made edits accidentally. Even though I have signed in my IP address is still shown where I have made edits, and I really would not like to be hacked or whatever can be done with an IP address. Is there a way to hide it? Thanks SignorNic (talk) 22:23, 30 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

@SignorNic: I don't think there's a way that's feasible for lots of edits. @Chuck Entz, any suggestions? Ultimateria (talk) 01:20, 1 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

New entry visibility


Hello, I have some questions. I had made some new entries and they appear here but they don't appear when searched on some search engine, even if searches are very specific. Is there any solution ? Polarbear678 (talk) 20:49, 14 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, I don't know how to help with that. Ultimateria (talk) 01:15, 15 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

About 老逼登


This word can be a general, derogatory term for a middle aged men, but the original one in Northeastern Mandarin is 老登, and 老逼登 is only used in recent years. Also, this term's pronunciation is lao bi deng, which may be the reason why it is often used to refer to Biden directly. See comments in

Here are some usage: [5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13] 内存溢出的猫 (talk) 16:38, 25 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

@内存溢出的猫: Generally speaking, comments and social media posts do not meet our criteria for inclusion. See WT:ATTEST for more information on acceptable sources. The phrase "of verifiable origin and are durably archived" is relevant here. Ultimateria (talk) 16:37, 30 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
Okay, I understand that such terms may have stricter criteria for inclusion (in some way like Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons). I'll find if any source can prove the words original meaning. 内存溢出的猫 (talk) 16:04, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Recreating good Spanish stuff


Hi! Equinox recently went on a massive deletion spree. I can't blame the poor guy for that. Naturally, many decent entries also got deleted. Would you be able to recreate all the Spanish stuff that got lost? The English stuff if good too, but I don't care about plurals. Denazz (talk) 21:23, 3 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Tbh I'm not interested in putting the work to check for the existence and translation for each one. Ultimateria (talk) 17:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Galician entries


Please try to learn more about Galician, the pronunciation module has already been created and now we editors of Romance languages ​​such as native Portuguese and Spanish will correct everything Stríðsdrengur (talk) 19:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ultimateria Stríðsdrengur (talk) 19:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Stríðsdrengur: Thanks for letting me know about this. By the way, there's no need to ping people on their talk pages. Ultimateria (talk) 01:49, 7 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
And also, please consult the dictionaries that you provide as a reference, I see that you only provide the raw translation in English and the dictionaries provide information that should not be left aside Stríðsdrengur (talk) 10:17, 7 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Stríðsdrengur: I recognize the validity of your comment, but you should know that asking people to do more is not really in the spirit of Wiktionary (unless they're perpetuating mistakes); we are volunteers after all. I appreciate that you want your entries to be complete from the beginning. You are at one end of a spectrum, others churn out tons of bare-bones pages, and I'm somewhere in between. I've been here for well over a decade, so my perspective is that I/we will get it done eventually. Ultimateria (talk) 18:23, 8 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
I completely understand your argument that Wiktionary is a collaborative project, but it is still not a justification nor is it ethical to do something trusting that someone who really understands the subject will improve/fix what you did. Stríðsdrengur (talk) 20:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Stríðsdrengur: I don't believe I've done anything unethical or requiring justification, so we've reached an impasse. But while we're here I wanted to point something out. See the explanation of "ultimately from" at WT:ETY. You're using it for cases where derived/borrowed/inherited hasn't been determined yet, but it's intended for e.g. a Finnish term that derives from Latin where the intermediary language is unclear. Ultimateria (talk) 20:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
The point is that you're not sure if all those words really belong to that etymology, so it's kind of irresponsible of you Stríðsdrengur (talk) 18:20, 17 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • I wouldn't take Stringy's comments too seriously. They have a habit of telling users that they don't know languages, and then edit in Upper Sorbian, Carpathian Rusyn and Eastern freaking Mari! Phacromallus (talk) 21:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
    The difference is that I edit carefully, and all of these languages ​​have been left in terrible states by irresponsible users, and I study these languages ​​every day to improve and do my best. Stríðsdrengur (talk) 22:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)Reply