Talk:エジプシャン
Latest comment: 7 years ago by Gamren in topic RFV discussion: June 2016–April 2017
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What kind of "Egyptian" is this? Where is it used? ばかFumiko￥talk 12:29, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
- Knowing the IP that added it, this is from Bing translate. It's easy enough to find raw Google Books hits for it, but I suspect those are transliterations of foreign terms. Someone who knows Japanese will have to sort through them. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:54, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
- This is a valid string of characters in Japanese, albeit a bit of a crap entry in its current state. See also:
- TL;DR version: エジプシャン (Ejipushan) on its own seems to be often used to refer to the Bangles song, “Walk Like an Egyptian”, per the Kotobank entry from Daijisen and a cursory look at google:"エジプシャンは". Past there, it's the first element in a number of compounds borrowed from English, such as エジプシャン・マウ (Ejipushan Mau) from Egyptian Mau (a breed of cat).
- ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 22:37, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
- Google search throws up a few seemingly "native" uses of エジプシャン, for example (just one at random), 最初にベリーを始めたとき（5年位前かな）、先生がエジプシャンだった。("When I first began belly dancing about five years ago, my teacher was Egyptian"). However, my Japanese is not good enough to tell whether this is normal usage or something special or different. 86.171.42.219 11:48, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Eirikr: Can you comment on what 86 found? Fumiko is champing at the bit to get this deleted, but I'd prefer to save the entry if it's actually used. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 21:59, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- 86 found a valid hit, albeit not one that meets CFI as it's an online blog: http://ruddysomali.cocolog-nifty.com/outing_club_2/2015/12/post-94b1.html FWIW, this appears to be written by a native Japanese speaker. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 22:26, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- @Eirikr: I mean, are there more uses like that in Google Books or Groups? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 22:35, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- @Μετάknowledge -- Sorry I didn't get to this sooner. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 20:00, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
RFV failedばかFumiko￥talk 13:15, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
- @ばかFumiko -- Um, no. The term エジプシャン (ejipushan) is clearly used to mean Egyptian, which a very minor modicum of research clearly uncovers. There are definite restrictions on its use, which the entry should include in a ====Usage notes==== section, but this does not constitute a failure of the RFV criteria ("durably-archived attestations conveying the meaning of the term in question"). Μετάknowledge asked specifically about Google Books, and google books:"エジプシャン" provides more than enough instances. Fumiko, you can read Japanese. You have no grounds for closing this as failed when a simple search provides ample evidence that this entry is valid, if somewhat lacking in detail. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 20:00, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- Lol, no I don't read Japanese. I can only decipher some text from manga and anime that I've already known the meaning, or at least the context, of. That's why I never claimed to be a ja user (if anything, only a newbie learner), why my "translations" can be very flawed, and why I requested for verification for this entry, which is not working for a month. Why don't you provide the required citation if you're so sure about it being Japanese? I'm totally dubious about the use of transcriptions such as エジプシャン as "Japanese". They might just be mere pronunciation guides, not true Japanese. It's probably similar to a situation where a Vietnamese keeps saying things like "I don't care", but no sane Vietnamese would call that "Vietnamese": it's just an English phrase those young A-holes've adopted from a Korean song. There are such things as "foreign words used in native contexts" you know, and as far as I know, they don't qualify as "loanwords" either. It's kinda hard to see the boundary between such words and loanwords in Japanese though, because all of them are written as transcriptions with kana. ばかFumiko￥talk 02:08, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- Aha -- it would be great if you could clarify that with a JA-1 or JA-2 box on your userpage. You currently don't have anything for Japanese, and from your involvement in editing JA entries, I had misjudged your ability. It looked like you were offloading the work of finding citations because you didn't want to do it, rather than because you can't do it.
- Now that's cleared up, I'll see about adding citations. Please note that I am unfamiliar with our Citations infrastructure and formatting conventions, so this will take me some time -- and given how busy I have been lately IRL, please don't expect immediate results. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 18:01, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
- @Eirikr No dude, I seriously can't do it. I don't read or speak Japanese, let alone find citation in complicated sources. My best buddies are mostly manga, which have very clear contexts that can be used to deduce the meanings of the dialogues (not to mention available translated versions everywhere). I understand why you misjudge my capability since I've been committed to Japanese entries a lot, but I've never said I was a JA user, hence the lack of JA-1 or 2 or whatever. ばかFumiko￥talk 10:24, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
- @Eirikr So how about those cites?__Gamren (talk) 17:50, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Eirikr, do we just have to take it on faith? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:48, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
RFV passed. I have added six citations. Honesty speaking, one should doubt if one can reasonably doubt. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 14:22, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
- I think you will find my capacity for doubt to be very great indeed, but I can't say for sure. Jokes aside, thank you. Translations, perhaps? Also, strictly speaking, a week has to elapse before this can be closed (not that anyone seems to care overly much, though).__Gamren (talk) 16:53, 17 April 2017 (UTC)