Talk:antse

Latest comment: 5 years ago by -sche in topic Similar or related discussions

RFD discussion: March–August 2016 edit

 

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It's actually non-lemma form whose structure is ants + -e (phrase-final clitic). In Suárez (1983:117) we could find ant͜se with a gloss "woman" indeed, but the problem is that the term is a part of a sentence, whose detail is as follows: i-ˀakˀ-ba-t j-uˀun ti ant͜se. According to Aissen (1987:3) and Sk'op Sotz'leb: The Tzotzil of Zinacantán, -e often cooccurs with a definite article, i.e., ti, li, taj, i. I think that we don't have to spare a space for every such form. --Eryk Kij (talk) 10:27, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

I've converted it to a "form of". entry pointing to ants. The form is attested (in the reference given above, which is sufficient for a non-WT:WDL language, per WT:CFI), and because Wiktionary is not paper, it has room to include any number of inflections of words, including e.g. all the conjugated forms of every Latin verb. However, if "-e" can attach to any word without changing the meaning, some might feel that no -e forms should be included (while others disagree; contrast e.g. the arguments at Talk:fasque with those at Talk:satisne): you could start a request for deletion. - -sche (discuss) 19:38, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
I understand your attestation is right and Wiktionary could contain inflections of a word, then I should have used RFD as you advised me. I came up with the idea only after I submitted here. As you supposed, the clitic -e gives rise to no further change of a meaning itself without being definite, therefore we may have to delete this entry. I will move this discussion to RFD soon after posting this reply. Thank you for your attention and guidance. --Eryk Kij (talk) 23:01, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
I've added the entry ([1]). Please note that there is an orthographic fluctuation between the letters ts and tz, which is explained in Moksnes (2013: Notes on Orthography). --Eryk Kij (talk) 05:28, 22 March 2016 (UTC)Reply
Meh... I have no strong feelings about this one way or the other, but have deleted it per the above discussion. - -sche (discuss) 23:46, 19 August 2016 (UTC)Reply


Similar or related discussions edit

Talk:fasque (deletion of words in -que), Talk:satisne (no consensus and hence retention of a term with -ne). - -sche (discuss) 15:11, 24 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

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