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Are these separate senses, or should they be combined?

  1. A vile, wicked person.
  2. An extremely depraved person, or one capable or guilty of great crimes.
  3. A deliberate scoundrel.

--Hekaheka 21:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

They are the same, as far as I can tell. Also, the final sense (feudal rank): isn't that villein? Equinox 21:21, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
For villain, Chambers gives villein as the (noun) "original" meaning, and adjectival senses of low-born, base and villainous. Pingku 22:05, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
A depraved person capable of crimes is not the same as the rest of that (a vile, wicked person, guilty of crimes, a deliberate scoundrel): he may have never done a bad deed in his life. That said, I don't know the "depraved person capable of crimes" sense of this word. Anyone else familiar with it?msh210 22:27, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Striking. Someone has changed the second and third senses to be subsenses of the first. Obviously the three senses, taken together, are in clearly widespread use; and determining which one(s), if any, to delete or merge, would probably require citations, which no one has provided, or at least more discussion than what we have here. So, I've removed {{rfv}} and added {{rfc-sense}} and {{rfquote-sense}}, in the hopes that one of those tags will accomplish what the {{rfv}} tag did not. —RuakhTALK 04:18, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

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