-izo suffix in Latin?

-izo suffix in Latin?

Hi CodeCat. I'm not totally comfortable with the surface analysis of a Latin -izo suffix for colaphizo, dogmatizo, citharizo, and aromatizo. These are existing Greek words which are used only in Late Latin and after. There may be some exceptions in the broader set, however, which also include: iudaizo, scandalizo, allegorizo, sabbatizo, thesaurizo, organizo, catechizo, evangelizo, anathematizo, prophetizo, and baptizo. Prophetizo is Greek, but it is not `good Greek;' and if I wanted to cast stones I might say organizo and allegorizo are not Greek at all. I wonder if a reasonable touchstone is the -esque suffix in English, which now can be used for non-French stems. -izo does not have this property in Latin. While I can't think of a good reason not directly to link Greek counterparts at a minimum where the latter exist and predate the Latin, I didn't want to edit, because you usually have better reasons than I have.

Isomorphyc (talk)16:12, 3 June 2016

An exception fell out of my note as I was writing it, leaving my first sentence slightly incorrect: citharizo is used by Nepos; I believe it is a very rare example of an -izo verb in Classical Latin.

Isomorphyc (talk)16:14, 3 June 2016

I'm not very familiar with Ancient Greek compared to Latin, so I'll continue to add -izo as a suffix for now. Once I've gone through all the verbs, I'd welcome it if you could check the -izo verbs for any Greek ones they might have been borrowed from. We can see if there are any that are left over.

CodeCat16:24, 3 June 2016

At the same time, I'll add Greek entries where it seems applicable, if I happen to get to this early. Feel free to overwrite if you are working very systematically, and we can sort it out in the end. I suspect the real question will be where an eventual -izo Latin suffix ends being labelled on the spectrum between Late Latin and New Latin, given how defective that spectrum is for this type of question.

Isomorphyc (talk)16:38, 3 June 2016

I'm just going through the Latin verbs in alphabetical order, so I would call that systematic.

CodeCat16:59, 3 June 2016

I noticed. I will probably to do the Greek -izo verbs I can identify today all at once. I really do not mind if you overwrite by accident because they'll all be in a small category anyway.

Isomorphyc (talk)17:20, 3 June 2016

I was able to find Greek analogues for most of these words, though a few are disfavoured variants. There are two examples which might be autochthonous to Latin: allegorizo and organizo. They are both extremely rare. I would welcome any improvements to the etymological notes; I am not satisfied with a few of them. You do find such interesting things, going alphabetically through the dictionary.

Isomorphyc (talk)00:57, 5 June 2016