Talk:Dutch
In Flanders they speak Vlaams which may be considered to be a part of the Nederlandse language. It is however different. In the Netherlands we would not say they speak Nederlands. To me it means that Dutch has two translations for the Nederlandse language Vlaams _and_ Nederlands. GerardM 09:05, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
RFC edit
Added rfc because of slightly unusual format translations. Also languages need dewikifying.20.133.0.14 15:14, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
But the Dutch language IS spoken in Flanders ánd in The Netherlands. We have exactly the same grammatics and rules. However the pronounciations are slightly different and in the day-to-day language there are used sometimes slightly other words. But the basics are identical.
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RFV-sense "A German." This was originally classified as a proper noun, right next to the sense "the people of the Netherlands", so it's possible that it was intended to say "the German people". That might be citable. But if "Dutch" can be cited as a common noun (presumably inflected like "one Dutch, two Dutches"?) in any meaning, I expect it to be in the meaning "a person from the Netherlands". Actually, google books:"two Dutches" suggests that lowercase 'dutch' has more meanings than our entry currently accounts for. - -sche (discuss) 09:35, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- Not going to comment on the grammar of it, but I believe this sense is from English speakers commonly confusing the words "Dutch" and "Deutsch". Pengo (talk) 02:35, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
- Actually I disagree, Dutch originally referred to Germans and other Germanic peoples before being eventually restricted to the Netherlandish. --WikiTiki89 07:29, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
- Right; Dutch referred generally to all continental West Germanic-speaking people before distinctions were made between the ones from the Netherlands and the ones from Germany. This is reflected by the obsolete sense 1 of the adjective and the obsolete sense 2 of the proper noun. But as a common noun, Dutch was never a count noun meaning "a German", though the Dutch could presumably be used to mean "the Germans", or rather "the continental West Germanic-speaking people(s)". —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 17:25, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes, the non-collective noun sense sounds odd to me and I very much doubt its existence.--WikiTiki89 20:13, 23 February 2014 (UTC)- Actually, I think it's quite common to say things like "There were twenty Dutch, thirty French, and not one English". --WikiTiki89 20:19, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
- Right; Dutch referred generally to all continental West Germanic-speaking people before distinctions were made between the ones from the Netherlands and the ones from Germany. This is reflected by the obsolete sense 1 of the adjective and the obsolete sense 2 of the proper noun. But as a common noun, Dutch was never a count noun meaning "a German", though the Dutch could presumably be used to mean "the Germans", or rather "the continental West Germanic-speaking people(s)". —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 17:25, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
- Actually I disagree, Dutch originally referred to Germans and other Germanic peoples before being eventually restricted to the Netherlandish. --WikiTiki89 07:29, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
- Failed. — Ungoliant (falai) 02:15, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Comparable edit
Certainly something can be "more Dutch" than something else. The question is only whether it can be "Dutcher". It's found, but I think chiefly in humorous use. 77.13.49.118 20:03, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Pejorative edit
The same word in Gaelic as "tuathach" means leader, and as "tuatach" means the same thing as the pejorative sense of common.
Maybe the pejorative sense is a native German/English/Saxon/Teutish sense? Similar to "common" and "vulgar" and "popularly" and "folksy"? 121.127.214.82 14:03, 11 December 2022 (UTC)