Talk:Houm Päijtsh

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Houm Päijtsh

Seriously? -- Liliana • 16:21, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Apparently this will be difficult to attest. This is about everything I could find [1]. --Hekaheka (talk) 07:34, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

• I find it curious and ironic that a term, ostensibly so intimately related with the online world, would be effectively impossible to find in use in the wild. After excluding various Wiktionary and Wikipedia echo chambers, I am left with seven hits (google:"Houm Päijtsh" -wikt -wiki -dictionary -glosbe), of which Hekaheka's above is one. Notably, that's just an entry in a terminology database, not even an example of use. Of the remaining six Google hits, one is now a 404, one is an automated translation entry, one is an interactive terminology database that doesn't even have an entry for this term, and the last three are Wikipedia or Wiktionary echoes that squeaked through my search exclusion terms.

I'm under the impression that Kölsch isn't a very widely used language, but even so, I'd expect to find more than this if it were really in use to mean home page.

Delete as a protologism or otherwise fatuous entry. If and when someone can find sufficient citations of actual use, we can re-create the entry then. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 17:48, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

• Well, Kölsch is a very widely spoken language, but it's almost never written except by Wikimedia fans and in Asterix translations. Speakers may very well say something that sounds like Houm Päijtsh when speaking of a homepage, but I bet the spelling that goes through most of their heads when they do is Homepage. —Angr 18:00, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Probably, and the Finns say "houm peits", but that's not entry-worthy either. --Hekaheka (talk) 14:35, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

• This looks like somebody's attempt at spelling out a term they heard used in speech. I find it significant that it uses a different orthography than all of our other Kölsch entries. I'm really surprised at the "sh", since Kölsch speakers are pretty much all also speakers of Standard German, which always uses "sch". Of course, I couldn't find any uses of "Houm Päijtsch", either. The "ij" looks fishy, too- but I don't know enough about the orthography to be sure. Chuck Entz (talk) 19:05, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
  • For what it's worth (which isn't much), the Kölsch Wikipedia main page is called Houpsigk, and on that page I found the trigraph ⟨eij⟩ in two words where standard German has ⟨ei⟩: bevölkerungsreijch for standard bevölkerungsreich and jeijstisch for standard geistig. I also found ⟨sh⟩ in Shtadt for standard Stadt and Jelsenkirshen for Gelsenkirchen and Duisbursh for Duisburg. I can't discern any rhyme or reason for when ⟨sh⟩ is used and when ⟨sch⟩ is used; both occur for standard German /ʃ/ as well as standard German /ç/ (which are usually merged into a single phoneme by people who speak Kölsch-influenced standard German and therefore I assume are merged in Kölsch itself). —Angr 16:25, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
    • I should have been more clear: the main problem I have with "ij" is that it's a single-character ligature, not "i"+"j". This could potentially cause problems with searches, if it's normally spelled as two letters. Chuck Entz (talk) 17:22, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Failed. — Ungoliant ^(Falai) 11:55, 4 October 2013 (UTC)