Talk:Orthodox Christian

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Orthodox Christian

• I made this page with the fact in mind that it's the only normal demonym noun form for this religion (in comparison to Buddhist, Catholic, Protestant, etc.), but afterwards it occurred to me that it is probably SoP. --SanctMinimalicen (talk) 01:45, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
• Keep. Orthodox is usually just an elision for Orthodox Catholic/Orthodox Christian. Nicole Sharp (talk) 04:44, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

  No, Orthodox is derived from Orthodox Church, and only later was it applied to the followers, i.e. Orthodox Christians. --WikiTiki89 19:28, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

It seems idiomatic inasmuch as it typically refers to the specific (family of) denomination(s), and not to any orthodox Christian. - -sche (discuss) 17:57, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

• See Orthodox. --WikiTiki89 19:12, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

  What of it? There are very orthodox Roman Catholics, Lutherans, etc, but they are, apparently, not what is meant by "Orthodox Christian" or "Orthodox". - -sche (discuss) 19:20, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

  They are orthodox, but not Orthodox. Thus, if it's SOP, it's Orthodox + Christian and not orthodox + Christian. --WikiTiki89 19:25, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

  @-sche: What do you think? Per utramque cavernam 11:32, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

  Which came first, "Orthodox Christian" or the bare noun "Orthodox" in the sense of an Orthodox Christian? There may be a WT:JIFFY/"Talk:poor white trash" rationale for inclusion. But I don't feel strongly one way or the other. (So, in the end, I abstain.) - -sche (discuss) 01:51, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Abstain for now. It strikes me as SOP, Orthodox (adj., senses 1 & 2) + Christian (n., sense 1), but I nonetheless tend towards keeping it, probably because of its paraphyly. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 13:25, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Delete. I've added an additional sense to Orthodox (adj.), which should now cover (almost) all the previously existing exceptions. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 13:41, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

@Lingo Bingo Dingo: That looks good--can we add a usage note though to the noun sense that indicates that its highly common to refer to these people as "Orthodox Christians" rather than as "Orthodoxes", which is a rather uncommon term in English? That, I think, would fully satisfy what Orthodox Christian seeks to offer. --SanctMinimalicen (talk) 13:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

@SanctMinimalicen That's a good idea.  Done. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 10:41, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

@Lingo Bingo Dingo: Thank you! With that I comfortably support delete. --SanctMinimalicen (talk) 23:51, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Can you explain why paraphyly is a reason for keeping? --WikiTiki89 19:28, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@Wikitiki89 Why would I? I haven't claimed anything of the sort. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 13:05, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

"but I nonetheless tend towards keeping it, probably because of its paraphyly" --WikiTiki89 13:37, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@Wikitiki89 You are quoting me as I described. I'm describing a cause, not a reason. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 13:53, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Why does its paraphyly cause you to lean towards keeping? --WikiTiki89 14:28, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@Wikitiki89 Mostly because it is an unusual feature in diachronic typologies of Christianity, which tend to be grouped by split, creed, etc. That said, I was also curious if there is a distinction in use between Orthodox and Orthodox Christian for the groups to which it can refer, e.g. with respect to sects like the Old Believers. There doesn't seem to be one. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 10:46, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Delete, per Wikitiki89. --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 19:40, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Deleted. bd2412 T 22:49, 1 January 2019 (UTC)