Talk:thrink

RFV discussion: April 2018

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thrink

Hmm, good luck finding sources for this. --Cien pies 6 (talk) 10:49, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Whatever it is, it isn't eye dialect since /θɹɪŋk/ is nowhere a standard pronunciation of drink. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 11:17, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

cited - And yes, it is eye dialect, apparently for either an Irish or French accent. (And not just for alcohol - the last quote is the verb). Kiwima (talk) 11:34, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't think about the possibility of th standing for [d̪]. And while there isn't a "standard" French pronunciation of English, [d̪ɹɪŋk] is the standard pronunciation in Ireland. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 12:32, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

We have many such "Irish-accent" entries: dhrunk, dhrop, dhrink, intherest... Equinox ◑ 13:25, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm confused by this. Is it because the affrication of /d/ (and /t/?) in front of /ɹ/ is near-ubiquitous? --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 13:40, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Most English "dental" consonants are really alveolar, but those represented by th are dental, so most English speakers will hear true dental stops as th. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:18, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

In Hiberno-English, the dental sounds /θ ð/ that are fricatives in other varieties of English are very often realized as dental stops [t̪ d̪]. Thus Irish English distinguishes tin and thin by place of articulation only, not manner of articulation: [tɪn] vs. [t̪ɪn]; likewise den and then are distinguished as [dɛn] vs. [d̪ɛn]. However, the contrast is lost before /ɹ/ and /ɚ/, where only dentals surface, so in Irish English tree and three are homophones as [t̪ɹiː], and udder and other are homophones as [ˈʌd̪ɚ]. And by the same rule, drink is [d̪ɹɪŋk], starting with the same consonant as this and that and then. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 14:59, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

RFV-passed Kiwima (talk) 22:07, 23 April 2018 (UTC)