Talk:wine bottle

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@justinrleung I did such edit because I see Google images results are all bottles of wine. I think it is like beer bottle. Dokurrat (talk) 02:37, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

@Dokurrat: What about wines of other fruits or of rice? I don't think the translations need to be exact. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 02:39, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: You're right ! By the way, I don't think rice alcohol bottle has that concave bottom like wine bottle. Dokurrat (talk) 02:42, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

@Dokurrat: I think 葡萄酒瓶 is just the prototype of wine bottles (in English), just like a sparrow/robin is the prototype of birds, but that doesn't make ostriches or penguins not birds. Likewise, I would consider rice wine bottles to be wine bottles as well, though it's probably not the first thing that comes to mind. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 02:47, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

RFD discussion: November 2019–June 2020

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wine bottle

SOP. Canonicalization (talk) 13:47, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Definition made me cry laughing. Are bottles normally made of glass? and not wood? well fuck me. Delete. Equinox ◑ 10:16, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I’ve seen plastic wine bottles.  --Lambiam 21:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

And you will see plenty of (full) plastic cider bottles in an off-licence. DonnanZ (talk) 11:16, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Weak keep due to typical characteristic shape/appearance/material. Mihia (talk) 20:49, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

If using that criteria, then there should be Alsace bottle, Bordeaux bottle, Burgundy bottle, Champagne bottle, Port bottle, and Provence bottle (with or without capitals as appropriate), each of which has its own distinctive shape.[1] -Mike (talk) 23:59, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm not personally familiar with all of those, but if the regional ones have some distinctive or recognisable characteristic besides merely coming from that region, and the type-of-drink ones have a distinctive or recognisable characteristic besides just containing the stated type of drink, then they are eligible for inclusion IMO. Mihia (talk) 00:33, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

comment: a wine bottle is not a bottle of wine. --Vealhurl (talk) 21:38, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

@Vealhurl A wine bottle may not always be a bottle of wine, but it is a bottle for wine. PseudoSkull (talk) 07:03, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

In some languages it depends on whether it's full or empty. DonnanZ (talk) 19:45, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Keep as translation target. Also have edited def to incorporate some of the characteristic features of a wine bottle. - Sonofcawdrey (talk) 00:14, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

@Sonofcawdrey: What are the translations that support WT:THUB? --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:58, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

@Dan Polansky: Ah, seems I didn't really understand WT:THUB regs. So, I suppose none of the translations listed qualify (except perhaps Slovene: buteljka). - Sonofcawdrey (talk) 07:53, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Keep per WT:COALMINE: winebottle is citable. – Einstein2 (talk) 17:05, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Keep DonnanZ (talk) 19:45, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Keep- perDonnanz at 19:45, 2 May 2020 John Cross (talk) 06:41, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Delete. When people think of a wine bottle, they are first and foremost thinking of a bottle (for) wine. They are not thinking of a bottle of a very specific shape/appearance/material. I was going to use cardboard box as a similar example of something that could be said to have a very specific shape and appearance, except that is an entry too! Somehow... And so is water glass (first sense). Thankfully soda can, plastic cup, and coke bottle aren't entries yet (the latter not as a noun). PseudoSkull (talk) 06:56, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Kept: no consensus for deletion. PUC – 10:21, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

beer bottle

SOP. Canonicalization (talk) 13:49, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Delete. Equinox ◑ 10:18, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Beer bottles generally have a different size and shape to wine bottles, and not forgetting milk bottles which are also different. Maybe some images would be useful. DonnanZ (talk) 14:49, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

I could see this and the abovementioned entry meeting the fried egg test. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 15:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Weak keep due to typical characteristic shape/appearance/material. I would say that water bottle probably has less claim than either wine bottle or beer bottle, since AFAIK there is nothing distinctive about a water bottle except that it contains water (or, as the entry helpfully informs us, "other drinks"). Mihia (talk) 21:05, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

I ought to add, of course, that the present definition, "A bottle designed to contain beer", is pure SoP and does not explain any additional distinguishing characteristics that might make it otherwise. Mihia (talk) 02:47, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Keep per WT:COALMINE: beerbottle is citable. – Einstein2 (talk) 18:28, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Keep DonnanZ (talk) 19:18, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Delete, per my reasoning for wine bottle. PseudoSkull (talk) 06:56, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Kept: no consensus for deletion. PUC – 10:21, 29 June 2020 (UTC)