User talk:Djkcel/2012

arginine

By "Greek" do you mean Modern Greek ({{etyl|el}}), or Ancient Greek ({{etyl|grc}})? —Ruakh_TALK 03:02, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Ancient Greek, should I re-add it under that tag? Djkcel (talk) 12:58, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I realized afterward, when I set about transliterating it, that it had a bunch of English letters in the middle of it; so, I removed it. But if you can add the correct Ancient Greek, then yes, please do so. :-)   —Ruakh_TALK 13:24, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry! My source says "arginoeis" and I wasn't sure how to write that in the original Greek. Is there a resource to convert that to the correct letters? Djkcel (talk) 15:39, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Nope. If your source is an anglophone source, then we at least know there should be a smooth breathing mark on the initial alpha (since if it had a rough breathing mark, an anglophone source would write "ha-"), but even then, it's not obvious whether the first "i" should be an iota or an eta, whether/where there should be a tonos, etc. (I mean, it's not obvious to me. Someone who actually knows something about Ancient Greek might be able to figure it out.) —Ruakh_TALK 16:21, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

The actual spelling is ἀργινόεις (arginóeis). The only ambiguities in "arginoeis" are the o and the e, which could be short (omicron and epsilon) or long (omega and eta). There are 3 accents (though 2 are in complementary distribution with each other), and the position of the accent is phonemic. In other words, your examples only make sense in Modern, but not Ancient Greek. Your warning about the dangers of guessing was exactly right, though: the reverted edit had 3 Greek letters, and 2 were wrong. I created an entry for ἀργινόεις (arginóeis) (a very tricky nt-stem- I hope I got it right), and added back that part of the etymology. Chuck Entz (talk) 07:43, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

A belated welcome

With all these discussions of minor points, I'm surprised no one gave you our standard welcome template, which has the resources so you can learn how to not make the kinds of mistakes you've been making:

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! Chuck Entz (talk) 05:52, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

etymology

Hello Djkcel! May I draw your attention to some templates that may be useful when adding etymologies?

• term for attested words (ancestors and cognates)
• recons for reconstructed words
• etyl for the name of the language where a word comes from
• rfscript for signalling a word in the wrong script

Example (in a Spanish lemma): From {{etyl|la|es}} {{term|foobar|lang=la}}, from {{etyl|ine-pro|es}} {{recons|foobar|lang=ine-pro}}

This should give: From Latin foobar, from Proto-Indo-European *foobar

If you encounter words in a wrong script, you could add {{rfscript}} to the lemma. In saxum, there was a word in Old Church Slavonic, but written in Latin characters. Here most words are in their native script: thus Old Church Slavonic in (Old) Cyrillic script. In such a case, you can add {{rfscript|Cyrs}} to the lemma, so others may find and fix the problem.

Have a look at the documentation of these templates or ask me or other users.

Greetings, --MaEr (talk) 14:36, 2 December 2012 (UTC)