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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! -- Chuck Entz (talk) 22:14, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I know wikipedia well (3671 edits in various wiki projects, since 2006), but wiktionary less so. -- Womtelo (talk) 22:37, 25 November 2016 (UTC)


Inclusion of borrowings in descendants lists might be debatable (feel free to discuss it at the Beer parlour), but creating new headers definitely isn't. That's a cure that's far worse than the disease.

The real issue here is being consistent with the practice in other entries, and not making up new rules based on one person's opinion of one item in one entry. Semantics isn't really an issue, because descendants lists more often than not contain descendants whose semantics have shifted in various directions. Borrowing isn't, either, since we regularly include descendants which come to the destination languages by a variety of different routes. As long as it's made clear (as in this case) that it's not an inherited term, there's no reason to exclude it. Chuck Entz (talk) 22:14, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanations. Womtelo (talk) 22:37, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
Also, "quatre" isn't omitted. --kc_kennylau (talk) 04:19, 26 November 2016 (UTC)