Talk:holocaust survivor

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holocaust survivor

SOP, and the lemma form should have been Holocaust survivor, anyway. The Holocaust was a campaign of mass murder, and those people whom the Nazis intended or attempted to kill, who survived, are referred to as Holocaust survivors. An atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, and those people who were in the city at the time or whom the bomb irradiated, who survived, are referred to as Hiroshima survivors... and that is potentially more idiomatic, since those people didn't merely survive e.g. the dullness of living in 1920s Hiroshima or the street crime of 1930s Hiroshima or a semester abroad in 1990s Hiroshima, they specifically survived an atomic bomb. But "Holocaust survivor" is like "famine survivor": SOP. - -sche (discuss) 19:32, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Delete. --WikiTiki89 19:36, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Delete, straightforward. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:39, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Delete, but I am pessimistic, since Talk:Holocaust denial was kept. Equinox ◑ 19:41, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

"Holocaust denial" was kept in part because it was assumed by some to be idiomatically specific to a narrow subsense of Holocaust, something RFV showed to be untrue. I would not object to its renomination. I point to the many hits for google books:"Holocaust survivor" Roma OR Romani (some typed up here) to prevent anyone from mistakenly assuming Holocaust survivors are all Jews. - -sche (discuss) 19:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Delete DCDuring TALK 20:35, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Delete. — Ungoliant ^(Falai) 02:21, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Holocaust denial

The entry was kept and should stay kept. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 06:30, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Not quite. It wasn’þ kept, it was closed as no consensus. In any case the RFD is from months ago. — Ungoliant ^(Falai) 06:40, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Right, plus the chief supposition made by those who voted to keep it was shown by a subsequent RFV to be counterfactual. - -sche (discuss) 07:08, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Holocaust denier

Per -sche. --WikiTiki89 20:54, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Delete. Equinox ◑ 20:57, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Delete both Holocaust denier and Holocaust denial. Consider replacing with {{only in}} pointing to WP. DCDuring TALK 22:30, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Seems SOP to me. But I like DCDuring's suggestion of an 'only in' steering those who search for it to WP. ~ Röbin Liönheart (talk) 23:53, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Delete. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:39, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

In the previous RFD, one argument in support of having the entry "Holocaust denial" was that it is a crime in some places, and thus potentially a legal term, but I note that "genocide denial" (genocide denial) is also a crime and a legal term, as is "assault with intent to rob". - -sche (discuss) 23:19, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Out of all the crime terminology that should be included, I think Holocaust denial would be near the bottom of the list. --WikiTiki89 23:34, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Also, bd2412 pointed out in the previous RFD that "the phrse is not 'The Holocaust denier' (as in, Joe is a The Holocaust denier)", but that is irrelevant; it is routine for proper nouns of the form "The _" to drop the definite article when attributive. I cannot say "Jay Carney is a The White House spokesman", I must say "he is a White House spokesman", but "White House spokesman" is not idiomatic. - -sche (discuss) 00:11, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

(lest my position be unclear: delete - -sche (discuss) 07:12, 14 December 2012 (UTC))

I've deleted all three, in accordance with the votes of everyone except Anatoli. 18:29, 6 January 2013 (UTC)~