胡心水庵

Hello - just a tip

Hi - thanks for your contributions in Japanese. I just wanted to point out that we have a standardised layout for entries which you're supposed to use, as it handles various things automatically (e.g. transliterations, categorisation and so on). If you take a look at the page 機微 you can see the changes I've made. Please also take a look at WT:Entry layout (which has tons of info, but most entries only need a few sections!). Also take a look at Template:ja-kanjitab, Template:ja-noun, Template:ja-IPA and Template:ja-see, which give info on how to use those specific templates, too, as they're very powerful and can deal with loads of different things.

Please let me know if you have any questions, and I'll be happy to help. Theknightwho (talk) 14:32, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay. Thank you. 胡心水庵 (talk) 14:48, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

I also want to add that WT:About Japanese is more specific to Japanese and informative than WT:Entry layout. Mcph2 (talk) 14:48, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay. Thank you, too. 胡心水庵 (talk) 14:50, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Formatting

Hey, just a quick tip - for future reference, please try to format your entries according to the guidelines outlined in WT:EL. In particular, the use of templates helps with categorization. Binarystep (talk) 10:54, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Just to add to this - it's important to use the templates for categorisation, or otherwise pages won't be sorted properly in categories. This is extra-important for Japanese because we sort by reading.Theknightwho (talk) 14:19, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Can you briefly explain how to use the template when adding a new entry, please? 胡心水庵 (talk) 22:38, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

I think the best explanation would be to show you the formatting I've added, as seen on 手渡し. When you create an entry, one of the most important things to include is the POS (part of speech) template. For Japanese kanji entries in particular, the kana reading is included in the template, e.g. {{ja-noun|てわたし}}. Additionally, you should include {{ja-kanjitab}} to specify the readings of each kanji, which further helps with categorization. I can explain how this template works if you'd like, though there is a thorough guide on the template page.

You should also include headers in your entries, as covered in WT:EL, starting with the language header. For example, Japanese entries should start with ==Japanese==, and each section should have its own subheader as well (e.g. ===Etymology===, ===Noun===). I hope this helps! Binarystep (talk) 00:18, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks.

Also, "though there is a thorough guide on the template page.", can you send me a link of the guide page?

Another question is that each time you make a new entry, do you need to manually type the template? 胡心水庵 (talk) 00:32, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

The guide is on Template:ja-kanjitab. As for your second question, you do indeed have to manually type (or copy-paste) the templates every time you create a new page. Binarystep (talk) 01:50, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. 胡心水庵 (talk) 01:59, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Entries with Template:ja-def

Hello, I saw that you added definitions to ししつ here. Since the use of {{ja-def}} to link to the lemma entries which have more content(i.e. as soft redirects) has already been replaced by {{ja-see}} and {{ja-see-kango}}, this isn’t the accepted way to add definitions now, which is why Eirikr replaced the content of the entry with {{ja-see-kango}}. I created some entries with your definitions, so that {{ja-see-kango}} would show them. This is also why {{ja-see}} is so powerful: it can automatically show the parts of speech and definitions of words recorded in the lemma entries, without needing editors to manually update them at the kana entries or alternative spelling entries when they’re changed.

Unfortunately, some outdated entries using {{ja-def}} haven’t been cleaned up and replaced with {{ja-see}}. It’s best to do that instead of adding definitions after {{ja-def}}. Mcph2 (talk) 13:27, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. 胡心水庵 (talk) 15:00, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

@Mcph2 @胡心水庵 @Eirikr Just as an FYI, {{ja-see-kango}} seems to be completely identical to {{ja-see}}, so it's probably better to just use that instead. Theknightwho (talk) 16:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

@Theknightwho, these used to have different output -- {{ja-see-kango}} had text something like:

• (This term, くん, is the hiragana spelling of the above Sino-Japanese terms.)

I feel like there were a few other differences as well, but my memory is fuzzy and I don't have time now to dig through the changes to the templates and modules.

I do think the distinction between yamato kotoba (native Japonic vocabulary) and kango (Sinic-derived vocabulary) is important enough to have different referring templates {{ja-see}} and {{ja-see-kango}}, and their output should be different and clearly distinct. I am dismayed that all distinctions have been removed. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 17:57, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

@Eirikr They were merged some time before 2020, as the first version of Module:ja-see has the function show_kango which does nothing except call the main function. Theknightwho (talk) 18:04, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

@Theknightwho: That was just how the module was created -- additional logic was added just two edits later in diff to handle kango differently. Output for kango was most definitely clearly distinguished until relatively recently. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 18:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

@Eirikr You’re right. It was this diff by @Huhu9001 at the end of May 2023. Theknightwho (talk) 18:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

From the etymological perspective it is lexicographically more sensible to indicate a broad categorisation among yamato-kotoba (wago), kan-go and gairai-go for each vocabulary in order to have a better general sense of the overall lexical spectra. 胡心水庵 (talk) 00:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 21:53, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Headword templates

With the exception of Chinese and Japanese (which have their own systems of headers and templates), all entries are required to have a headword template after the part-of-speech header. These standardize the formatting and allow for things like transliteration, but they also add the entry to categories. Without categories, there's no way to find an entry without searching for it specifically. If you go to the main entry for a language, such as Category:Khmer language, you should be able to navigate through the subcategories that are listed there to reach every entry on Wiktionary for every term in the language.

You also need to add proper headers and templates for etymologies. This is explained in our Entry layout page, which you were told about in July. 6 months later, I find myself cleaning up seriously defective entries like Khmer ពេញបូណ៌មី (pɨñ bouraʼməy). I could probably justify deleting such an entry as "no usable content give", but that would be wasting your sincere efforts and hard work.

Just to be thorough, I'll give you our welcome template so you can follow the links it provides and get a more complete understanding of how to do things here. You should also read the "About" pages for any languages you edit in, such as Wiktionary:About Chinese, Wiktionary:About Japanese and Wiktionary:About Khmer.

Welcome

Hello, welcome to Wiktionary, and thank you for your contributions so far.

If you are unfamiliar with wiki-editing, take a look at Help:How to edit a page. It is a concise list of technical guidelines to the wiki format we use here: how to, for example, make text boldfaced or create hyperlinks. Feel free to practice in the sandbox. If you would like a slower introduction we have a short tutorial.

These links may help you familiarize yourself with Wiktionary:

• Entry layout (EL) is a detailed policy on Wiktionary's page formatting; all entries must conform to it. The easiest way to start off is to copy the contents of an existing same-language entry, and then adapt it to fit the entry you are creating.
• Check out Language considerations to find out more about how to edit for a particular language.
• Our Criteria for Inclusion (CFI) defines exactly which words can be added to Wiktionary; the most important part is that Wiktionary only accepts words that have been in somewhat widespread use over the course of at least a year, and citations that demonstrate usage can be asked for when there is doubt.
• If you already have some experience with editing our sister project Wikipedia, then you may find our guide for Wikipedia users useful.
• If you have any questions, bring them to Wiktionary:Information desk or ask me on my talk page.
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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! Chuck Entz (talk) 06:55, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Unformatted entries

When you create a page like Khmer ពេញបូណ៌មី (pɨñ bouraʼməy) without using any templates, you're creating something that just looks like a Wiktionary entry. You really have to learn how to use the templates. Khmer has a full set of headword-line templates: see Category:Khmer headword-line templates. I'm tired of seeing your entries in the logs for the abuse filter that tags entries without headword templates. Chuck Entz (talk) 16:04, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Also, you clearly copied from a google translated version of km:បូណ៌មី to make បូណ៌មី. That is unacceptable. Please refrain from editing entries in a language that you know nothing about. If you think that a word should have an entry here, please go to the Requested entries page for that language, such as Wiktionary:Requested entries (Khmer). --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:20, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Formatting, again

You have recently edited ふっこう (Special:Diff/59406194/80702797) without using the templates, again. Please search for similar pages to see how they should be formatted. You have been reminded of this multiple times. --kc_kennylau (talk) 10:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)