Dezzie

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! Jamesjiao → ^{T ◊ C} 00:05, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

fought

Thanks for your contributions. Just a minor point, we don't include stress markers for monosyllabic words. There's really no need! Ƿidsiþ 14:13, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

entries made in error

Hi. If you make en entry in error and it should be deleted, could you please add {{d}} to it instead of leaving it blank? It'll be found and deleted sooner that way.​—msh210℠ (talk) 18:29, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Does (deprecated template usage) plasttallrick fall in that category? LA2's nominated it for speedy deletion: do you agree it's an error, or do you want to convert the {{speedy}} (same as {{d}}) to an {{rfv}}?​—msh210℠ (talk) 19:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Come on, its plast (plastic) + tallrik (plate). Dezzie is apparently learning Swedish and doing quite well, with a few mistakes that I'm fixing now. --LA2 22:51, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Svenska

Hej och välkommen till engelska Wiktionary! Jag ser att du använder "NEC" när du skapar artiklar. Det kanske är bra, men den borde sätta {{infl|sv|noun form}} i stället för "noun" om det är en böjning (motsvarande för verb och adjective). Har du inte lust att skriva en liten presentation av dig själv? --LA2 19:06, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Having gone through some more of your edits, I understand that you are not a native Swedish speaker. I hope you continue to add Swedish entries. Here are some observations and hints:

• Swedish verb infinitives end in -a, thus mäta, not mäte; leka, not leke. The present tense can be -ar (letar) or -er (leker). However, Danish and Norwegian verbs end in -e.
• When creating "form entries", I have found it very convenient to copy and paste from the code at the top of user:LA2. This way the "headword line" will be correct, e.g. {{infl|sv|noun form}}.

--LA2 07:51, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

UK / RP

Actually, most editors now use "UK" rather than "RP". This is because our pronunciation scheme is less old-fashioned, and differs somewhat from traditional RP (eg /ɹ/ rather than /r/). Ƿidsiþ 15:54, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

We just call it something different, that's all. "UK" still represents a standard (more-or-less southern) English. It's just that "RP" is usually described in terms of /r/ and /æ/ and word-final /-ɪ/, which many modern descriptions of English no longer recognise as being part of the standard. (However, we don't really have a universal policy on this yet, so there is some variation between editors.) Ƿidsiþ 16:18, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Reply

Have you read my reply on my talk page?--AmeGOD 21:51, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Please avoid edit wars. Both of you I mean. Would be an awful shame to block you when you seem to have so much to give to this wiki. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:06, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Beer parlor

Thank you for joining the discussion. I wrote you back, let's keep it there from now on out.--AmeGOD 14:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Dutch pronunciation

I noticed you've been adding pronunciation information to a lot of Dutch entries. That's good, but there are a few mistakes I noticed you keep making. Firstly, you keep writing the long-e phoneme as eɪ. While some people do indeed pronounce it that way, it's very Holland-centric. The standard pronuncation is eː. Secondly, you write the voiced g as x, making it indistinguishable from voiceless ch. Again this does occur in some dialects but it's not standard, the standard pronunciation is ɣ. Lastly, you've been writing ɾ a lot. I don't think anyone recognises a flap as distinct from a trill anywhere in Dutch. So it's better to use the standard phoneme r. —CodeCat 11:26, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Noticed something

There's a /ɒ/ in General American here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet_chart_for_English_dialects

--AmeGOD 11:51, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Again, I'm not sure what the problem is. The unmerged vowel varies between /ɒ/ and /ɔ/ depending on accent and speaker, what is wrong with our compromise exactly?--Dezzie 12:24, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how to make it any more accurate than this: bought, save if you insist on adding the (ː).--Dezzie 12:36, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

US pronunciations

Please do not remove mainstream US pronunciations in favor of northeatern dialects. Most of the US has a caught-cot merger, so pronunciations with that sound are the mainstream. --EncycloPetey 03:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, please do not remove audio recording links from entries. --EncycloPetey 03:06, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I also do not understand this edit, since I have never heard the word pronounced that way in the UK or the US. --EncycloPetey 03:11, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Addendum: Wiktionary has agreed by consensus to use /ɹ/ for the untrilled r, in part because the trilled form does occur in some British dialects. --EncycloPetey 03:11, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Dutch rhymes

Why did you create duplicate pages instead of moving the pages to the new name? Now there is both Rhymes:Dutch:-ɑu̯- and Rhymes:Dutch:-ʌu̯- and the same for the subpages. And I'm not really sure why the pages need to be renamed anyway, can you explain please? —CodeCat 17:41, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I didn't want to remove the -ɑu̯- page because I realize that it is a dialectical pronunciation, and not wrong necessarily.--Dezzie 18:45, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

For rhymes, the page names don't represent actual pronunciations, but rather phonemes. The sounds [ʌu̯] and [ɑu̯] both represent the same 'underlying' sound in Dutch: jou rhymes with nou no matter what way you pronounce them. Whether we choose one representation or the other doesn't really matter, as long as we're consistent. Splitting the pages removes that consistency because it gives the impression that words with [ʌu̯] don't rhyme with those with [ɑu̯], when they are of course the exact same words. —CodeCat 21:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)