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Could you please help me a tiny bit on a Dutch rhymes pageEdit

Hoi Mnemosientje, hope you've been well. My Dutch isn't so good that I'd want to say certain words don't exist, but I was wondering if you could tell me if the new words added in this diff look Dutch to you? It's a page of rhymes on -eek. Isomorphyc (talk) 23:17, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Clearly someone who didn't know what they were doing. I've undone it. —Rua (mew) 23:23, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks @Rua, I appreciate it, and hope you've been well too. Mnemosientje, many congratulations or condolences (as you prefer) on your new administratorship. Isomorphyc (talk) 03:02, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
@Isomorphyc Hey, I've been well, thanks - the adminship hasn't proven to be much of a strain at all. I see Rua already fixed the issue you brought up, but anyway it's good to see you still occasionally check into this place. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 12:14, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm glad it's working out; thank you for all of the work that you do here! I do hope to be back later this year, but unfortunately things have kept preventing me for much longer than I might have expected. All best, tot later! Isomorphyc (talk) 01:22, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Social justiceEdit

Thank you for removing those disgusting usage examples. You're the Martin Luther King of Wiktionary. I am proud of you. --Vahag (talk) 11:22, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, please keep it out of mainspace in the future. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 11:29, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


@Mnemosientje I'm relying on you, a sysop in en.wiktionary, because I'm currently being victim of an abuse in en.wikipedia. My IP range was blocked by a sysop names "Ohnoitsjamie". What I did was to revert a user's edits back to some time ago because currently there's a new consensus about such edits. The edits were about Italian phonetic transcriptions containing the sound "ɱ". In the past it was transcribed by "m" for simplicity, but now it was consensually decided to transcribe it just as it is, not to talk about the fact that the Help:IPA page about Italian now has such a sound listed. He blocked me because I was correcting a phonetic transcriptions he knows absolutely nothing about, and blocked my full range when I reverted his edits. I can't even make an appeal for this block because I'm prevented to edit my own talk page! Please, do something to help me, even just a suggestion about what I can do now. It's absurd but it's real, and it's Wikipedia (alas!)... 21:21, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Being a Wiktionary sysop, Wikipedia procedures and disputes aren't really the things I deal with so I have no idea how I might have been of use here, but anyway it looks as if your IP range has been unblocked already. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 08:17, 5 February 2019 (UTC)


Regarding [1]: I figured enough information was given through T:lb and T:pronunciation spelling of. Is the etymology section really needed here?Jonteemil (talk) 20:44, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

@Jonteemil You're correct that the etymology description doesn't add much, but it's customary here to separate the etymologies nonetheless; compare for example the Westrobothnian entry on that same page which has no etymology information below the headers at all except at the first etymology header but is nonetheless separated by etymology. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 21:35, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Then I’ll rather have it the Westrobothnian way with bothing at all. It’s that fine?Jonteemil (talk) 21:38, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
@Jonteemil Sounds fine to me — Mnemosientje (t · c) 21:43, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
👍🏻, I’ve changed.Jonteemil (talk) 21:45, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

IP blocksEdit

Just a note that it isn't good practice to indef block IPs, as they are bound to change anyway. A long IP block (depending on discretion) could be 1-3 months, 6 months for particularly long-term cases (or open proxies or such). — surjection?〉 20:06, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

There are some cases where the same vandal has been using the same IP for years which might justify a 1-year block. Other than that, I absolutely agree with you.
Another thing to watch out for is indef-blocking an account with auto-blocking enabled. As a check-user, I have yet to deal with an innocent IP hit by an unrelated autoblock- and I want to keep it that way.
Also, for IPv6 static IPs, it's a good idea to block with /64, since most ISPs assign that much address space to each customer. The exception is some mobile providers- especially AT&T Mobility. They tend to assign IPs completely at random. I've had cases where I did a checkuser on an IP in the New York area, and saw edits using the same IP by 2 or more unrelated accounts- including some fairly regular contributors. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:43, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Good to know, I'll keep it in mind. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 10:43, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your greekEdit

Thank you for correcting the ety for so many greek words. Although i don't do etys, sometimes I have to add them, so, i make notes of your corrections as models. Thanks Mnemosientje! --sarri.greek (talk) 02:10, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

@Sarri.greek: You're welcome, although I suspect you have added far more Greek content than I have, so thank you as well! — Mnemosientje (t · c) 09:23, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Sranan TongoEdit

Thanks for the recent clean-up in Sranan and starting WT:ASRN. You're getting more into the language? ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 14:26, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Lingo Bingo Dingo Well, my RL is quite busy (social, work and thesis) which kind of prevents me from actively learning it or systematically contributing new words (currently my leisure time slot for language learning is occupied by Russian anyway). However, recent discussions and activity surrounding the language made me look into it a bit, allowing me to standardize some of the existing entries during a couple recent bouts of procrastination (as our coverage of Sranan is not yet so broad that batch edits of entries can't be done in a couple of hours). I do intend to at least read a bit more about it, yes, and perhaps later contribute a bit more on Wiktionary as well. I especially like its influence on Dutch slang. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 15:20, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Ah, good luck on your thesis. Do you already know SIL's site with dictionaries for Surinamese languages? ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 10:32, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Pronominal adverbs in Gothic?Edit

Does Gothic have any pronominal adverbs like hierdoor, daarin, waarvoor etc? —Rua (mew) 18:49, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

@Rua I haven't seen any pronominal adverbs stricto sensu (going by how it is defined on Wikipedia). Gothic typically uses adverbial suffixes (similar and often related to the ones found in Ancient Greek) as e.g. at 𐍈𐌰𐌸𐍂𐍉 (ƕaþrō) or case endings applied to pronominal stems as e.g. at 𐍈𐌴 (ƕē). — Mnemosientje (t · c) 10:52, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Delete request for Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/bʰh₂erdʰeh₂Edit

Hey, someone put a deletion request on this page which you have contributed to, can you take a look? - TheDaveRoss 14:03, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

@TheDaveRoss Sorry for the slow reply. I am not sure about the page either, as I don't know a whole lot about PIE - my edit was mostly superficial. (Both this form and the one it now redirects to are weird to me in that they lack any accents at all, but the lemma now redirected to has stood for quite a while apparently without challenge so what do I know?) — Mnemosientje (t · c) 17:34, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Mediation requestEdit

Hello, I picked you at WT:A as the most recently active administrator.

May I ask you to mediate between me and User:SemperBlotto with respect to an apparent conflict. -- 07:28, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

It seems @SemperBlotto banned you. Anyhow - I don't think the WT:EL section you linked in the discussion on SB's talk page forbids usage notes without references. I interpret it as meaning that one should be able to provide references for claims in usage notes sections if another user disputes them. Perhaps you should (after your block, which I find a bit heavy-handed but whatever, it's only a week) contact the person who added the usage note to ask where they got their information from instead of edit-warring on it. Or perhaps you could bring it up in a more general discussion space, such as WT:Tea room, where more users can easily weigh in. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 07:13, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

טוב * IPA(key): /ˌtʊf/Edit

Hi! What was wrong with the IPA? Best Regards Michael Baumgartner

{HE root|טוב}} From Proto-Semitic *ṭāb-.


I'm glad you asked. There's a couple of issues:
  1. You added the pronunciation to the entry without making clear whether the added pronunciation is for tov (w/ holam) or for tuv (w/ shuruk), so the implication is that that is the pronunciation for both (which is obviously wrong);
  2. The pronunciation itself is off. The sound /ʊ/ is definitely not used in Hebrew broad transcription for either shuruk or holam and I've never seen it used in narrow transcription of Hebrew either (shuruk = [u] in Modern Hebrew, holam = [o(:)]) - I'm actually quite certain the sound just doesn't exist in Hebrew;
  3. The letter vet is not /f/, it is /v/.
Thus tuv would be /tuv/ and tov would be /tov/ in broad transcription. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 09:31, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanations. to 3) It is not unusual, that the phonetic didn't corespond to the supposed phonetic of the letter. Michbau (talk) 15:24, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Improving DutchEdit

Hi Mnemosientje!

Thanks for the welcoming message, this is appreciated. :)

I am currently using the wiktionary to extract Dutch words and group them by declension. In the process of doing so, I noticed that a few "declension groupings" do not start with the same letter.

For instance, Berbers was grouped with schilder because it was marked as plural of schilder. This is obviously wrong and easy to fix, but since I do not speak any Dutch at all, there might be a few mistakes in what I'm going to change.

Feel free to review/edit/rollback my changes as you wish. :)

I apologize if some of them might be wrong. That said, the list is not big (30 words tops).

Thanks! — Jojva

@Jojva Yeah, mistakes like on the Berbers page typically arise from editors copying and pasting entries; probably the editor who added that mistake intended to replace the word "schilder" with "Berber" but forgot to do so in the process of creating the entry. Stuff like that happens sometimes - if you see it and fix it, that's absolutely very helpful. That said, if you don't know any Dutch at all, I would urge caution in cases that aren't clear-cut mistakes or where you aren't sure: you can always ask me or some other active editor who seems to know Dutch. I'll try to keep an eye out for your edits to catch any mistakes and inform you of them. So far all edits seem good, fortunately! The only comment I would make is that benul doesn't actually have a plural - but that wasn't a mistake you introduced (you just corrected the previous plural to its hypothetically correct form without realising the noun is uncountable). — Mnemosientje (t · c) 15:02, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Okay I'm done! There are two things I'm not sure about: my contribution to "ambigu", and what to do with this page: It redirects to, which is the same but with a different 'i' at the beginning! I don't think it's important though. Thanks a lot for the help. ;) —This unsigned comment was added by Jojva (talkcontribs) at 15:42, 13 September 2019 (UTC).
Your edit on ambigu looks fine. That ijzervreter entry uses a special character <ij> (which is one character) instead of the regular <ij> (which is just a regular i + j), which we normally use. It's fine the way it is. Lastly, there was one word which again is actually uncountable but wrongly had a plural, identiteitspolitiek (again not a mistake you introduced - I did actually, out of carelessness earlier when I created the entry). I've fixed it. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 17:10, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
@Jojva, P.s., don't forget you can sign your message by adding four tildes to the end! That way a signature with timestamp is auto-generated. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 17:12, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Understood. ;) Jojva (talk) 07:54, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
" [] probably the editor who added that mistake intended to replace the word "schilder" with "Berber" but forgot to do so in the process of creating the entry." Can verify that this is true, and that I suck. ;) ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:55, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Tbh, considering the sheer amount of entries you've created, a few small mistakes here and there really are no big deal — Mnemosientje (t · c) 13:47, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


Where may I find templates for creating new articles? —This unsigned comment was added by ПростаРечь (talkcontribs) at 13:41, 15 September 2019 (UTC).

@ПростаРечь First of all - no need to ask on ten admins' talk pages in one go! In the future, you might also pose questions at Wiktionary:Information desk, a page which is specifically intended for general questions and assistance with topics like these. You can have a look at the following page: Wiktionary:Welcome, newcomers. I have also added the generic welcome template to your talk page, at User talk:ПростаРечь. Beyond that, though, I can give the following specific advice:
  • You can find buttons to create entries for various types of words using a standardized template when you look for a non-existing page using the search function. These buttons only work for English and a couple of other languages, though.
  • For other languages, your best bet would be to see how the entries in that language are laid out and edit an entry to view and copy the code. Then, once you have copied it, paste it when creating a new entry, editing the relevant parameters of the code and adding the correct definition and so forth.
  • The page Wiktionary:Entry layout contains comprehensive advice as to what elements should be on a page.
Whatever you try, feel free to ask me for further advice. If you go ahead with editing, I'll have a look at some of your edits to weed out mistakes and alert you of them, so you can improve your editing skills. Good luck! — Mnemosientje (t · c) 14:08, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Is this ( OK? —This unsigned comment was added by ПростаРечь (talkcontribs) at 15:51, 15 September 2019 (UTC).

Well, I don't know much about Old Church Slavonic, but I checked it out. It looks like a contraction (kind of like who'll or don't), is that correct? I have formatted it like a contraction for you. The entry was missing a headword-line template, in this case the {{head}} template you can see I have added below the header "Contraction" (it always goes below the part-of-speech header). I also hid the quotation, as we always do with quotations. You can see in the page code how I did that. Can you verify if the etymology I added is correct? — Mnemosientje (t · c) 08:28, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
I see some people more knowledgeable than myself have been discussing this on your talk page and Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2019/September#I want to add Church Slavonic terms; I defer to their judgment. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 14:49, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Windows Vienna is real.Edit

Please don't revert my edits. They belong to its pages.

I have no doubt these codenames may have existed, but they don't belong in a dictionary; see also WT:BRAND. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 09:07, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
Windows Vienna was released in December 12, 2008 with a RTM build number of 6.1.7000. Windows Vienna do belong in a dictionary.


The Woordenlijst Nederlandse Taal apparently claims that this word is masculine (so some dictionaries likely follow suit). Attesting this with a definite article isn't very straightforward, but doekoe die and doekoe dat seem about as common on Google (though this makeshift test probably includes a good deal of false positives). Do you think a masculine gender should be added? ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 09:15, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

@Lingo Bingo Dingo: I am honestly not entirely certain where I got the neuter gender from back then; it seems to me now that "de doekoe" is far more natural than "het doekoe". The former gets far more Google hits (>3500 hits) than the latter (<200 hits), too, and the same can be observed for "die doekoe" (>2000) versus "dat doekoe" (<200). I've changed it to masculine. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 09:58, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
It could be due to it being a synonym of geld (poen can also marginally have a neuter gender as an alternative) or perhaps it was a typo, otherwise I have no idea. Anyway, thanks for looking into it. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 10:13, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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