Talk:色な
Latest comment: 9 years ago by Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV in topic RFV discussion: February–July 2014
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It's not in any of my sources. I looked for uses of this, and found none. I suspect that the second sense comes from confusion with a lesser-used sense of the noun 色, that of "love affair." Note that this is not to be confused with the 連体詞 (adnominal) 色んな. Haplogy (話) 07:41, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Oofda. Okay, checking the history, I note at least that this is an old entry. Given our current conventions, this page shouldn't exist (except perhaps as a redirect to 色).
- FWIW, my copy of Shogakukan's big honker does list the following three senses under a 形容動詞 (keiyō dōshi, “na-adjective”, literally “adjectival verb”) POS:
- of exceptional beauty of form or appearance (with a quote from the w:Utsubo Monogatari, late 10th c.)
- knowledgeable about lovemaking, sensual; lascivious, lecherous (with a quote from the w:Ochikubo Monogatari, late 10th c.)
- elegant, tasteful, refined (with a quote from w:The Tale of Genji, early 11th c.)
- The currently given second sense on the 色な page is apparently a rough translation of the following bolded text in Shogakukan:
2. 恋愛の情趣を解するさま。色好みであるさま。
- I'm happy to expand the 色 entry later today, time allowing. And in light of that, I'll turn the 色な page into a redirect. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 17:35, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
- I see, so it does have those senses. I should have looked harder. A second look reveals that it does indeed appear in my copy of Daijien although unfortunately the editors do not see a need to indicate a pos. Given that it's not in less comprehensive sources, I couldn't find any examples by going through my dump of Aozora Bunko, and I've never heard it used that way in my life, maybe those senses are {{context|archaic...}} or obsolete, or just uncommon? Haplogy (話) 02:01, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- They might be achraic or even obsolete. Shogakukan doesn't give much indication of a term's currency. Meanwhile, if Daijirin doesn't indicate pitch accent, that's often because the term in question isn't in modern (or at least spoken) use, but these senses use the same reading as the very-common noun. The Shinmeikai doesn't list any adj senses, but that's a smaller (and more ... idiosyncratic) dictionary anyway. A quick look at google:"色な人" doesn't pull up much that's clear -- most of these seem to be 色んな (ironna) with the interstitial ん (n) left out. Might have to ping @TAKASUGI Shinji. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 04:56, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- It should be marked as archaic. In fact you may find 色なる in old texts, the modern form 色な probably don’t exist. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 05:19, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- They might be achraic or even obsolete. Shogakukan doesn't give much indication of a term's currency. Meanwhile, if Daijirin doesn't indicate pitch accent, that's often because the term in question isn't in modern (or at least spoken) use, but these senses use the same reading as the very-common noun. The Shinmeikai doesn't list any adj senses, but that's a smaller (and more ... idiosyncratic) dictionary anyway. A quick look at google:"色な人" doesn't pull up much that's clear -- most of these seem to be 色んな (ironna) with the interstitial ん (n) left out. Might have to ping @TAKASUGI Shinji. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 04:56, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- I see, so it does have those senses. I should have looked harder. A second look reveals that it does indeed appear in my copy of Daijien although unfortunately the editors do not see a need to indicate a pos. Given that it's not in less comprehensive sources, I couldn't find any examples by going through my dump of Aozora Bunko, and I've never heard it used that way in my life, maybe those senses are {{context|archaic...}} or obsolete, or just uncommon? Haplogy (話) 02:01, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- Closed. Redirected to 色#Japanese by Eirikr (talk • contribs). — Ungoliant (falai) 01:08, 7 July 2014 (UTC)